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#1 Posted : 13 November 2006 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
The Contol of Asbestos Regulations 2006 come into effect today!

It is now risk based approach and as such

Changes!

1. Minor work has gone and been replaced by short duration maintenance work which is of sporadic and low intensity.

New limit of 0.1f/ml for 4 hours (MEL)and 0.6 f/ml over 10 min (STEL) this means in essennce work on 'damaged' limpet and lagging is now licensable as you would go above this level.

Work on the AIB which can be done by unlicensed contractor has greater control

Removal of ALL 'nailed' AIB is now licensable

Repair of 'Minor' damge on AIB can be done but above that Licensable- Whats minor??

Removal of 1 Ceiling tile can be done - unless it damages another or more than 1 when it will now be licensable

Removal of 1sqM screwed in AIB

Follow the HSE Task cards for any work on Asbestos available free from HSE as it details on there when a licensed contracor must be used.

2. WHO fibre counting measures replacing ERM methods - more fibres can be counted!

3. Mandatory Asbestos training for all persons in the construction and allied buliding trades.

Class 1 training for licensed work
Class 2 training for unlicensed work
Class 3 training for all others (Asbestos Awareness)

4 Artex now not licensed however a full 18 point RA and MS has to underatken by a competent person detailing why you are of the opinion that the removal will not go above the 0.6 f/ml during the work. ( this has to be done for all Asbestos work not just TC)

Safety precautions to be used

No requirement to notify (FODASB5)
MS / RA
Trained and competent staff
Full enclosure
2 stage airlock
Type 5 overalls
1/2 mask with P3 Filter
Type H Vacuums
Decontaminate in Airlock
self certification to client that area is fee from asbestos & dust
No 4 Stage clearance required
Must have PI & EL for working with asbestos.

Should be removed pre demolition / refurbishment unless it is costly / time consuming to remove eg applied straight on to concrete etc

If it is easily removed then it should be eg on suspended ceiling / plasterboard etc

Cant think of anything else as my brain is frazzled!
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#2 Posted : 13 November 2006 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mart
Dave,
Very informative, you've answered alot of my queries. However, it still seems very complex and unclear. Does anyone know where I can download a shortened version of the new Regs?
Also has anyone got details of asbestos sampling courses.
Cheers
Mart
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#3 Posted : 13 November 2006 11:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Dave,

Thanks for that mate!

I've cut & pasted it to all our site managers.
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#4 Posted : 13 November 2006 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By JasonGould
Thanks Dave

One quick question.

Training and certification

Is all three levels of training to be done by external and certified companies.

Does a internal H&S bod have a route to follow as to enable them to deliver the awareness training for his maintenance staff.

Just asking as I was told all training to be certified?
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#5 Posted : 13 November 2006 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Training,

The consensus of this is that you should be using a training organsiation / person who has signed up to the ATPWG and HSE Code of Conduct to deliver asbestos training.

These can be found on the HSE web on their list, as these companies etc have agreed to this, however this is not a specific legal requirement and he HSE would want to know who delivered your training.

This involves 3rd party independent auditing to ensure you are delivering the training in accordance with Chapt 4 requirements and if you don't you cannot get on the HSE list or if it is not of a satisfactory standard you can be removed. So it is a quasi 'approved' list, with no legal standing if you see what I mean.
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#6 Posted : 13 November 2006 18:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Malcolm Greenhouse
Training

I have phone the HSE helpline up and asked about in house training for Asbestos Awareness and they said the training could be delivered by anyone competent.

The list of Precautions

Having looked at the HSE task sheets for working on what is now un licensed work I can not see any reference to the use of enclosures, are they to be used for all work on asbestos?
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#7 Posted : 13 November 2006 19:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bruce Sutherland
Malcolm

If you go and look on the HSE asbestos website, the part that is controlled by the Asbestos Licensing Unit, then you will see where Dave is coming from. There is a list of asbestos trainig providers. They have all signed up to a charter - this includes independent audit, and 3 years experience of asbestos work for the trainers amongst other things

Unless someone at Nat Brit has told their chaps on info line then I am sure they are answering with best intention. However ALU own asbestos within HSE, and that is what they have quite categorically stated.

If you want another view on the new regs I put a post titled artex to go go a few weeks ago

Cheers

Bruce

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#8 Posted : 13 November 2006 22:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
If you look closely on the task sheets on the left it tells you what other task sheets are relevant to this type of work and if it refers to the task sheet for enclosures then that's what you have to do.

As far as training goes, you are quite right in that you do not have to 'legally' use a trainer from the HSE list, so when the HSE / LA come a visiting and ask who is the competent person who does your asbestos training, what you going to say? Oh that bloke down the road who knows a bit about this stuff! or a person / training company who has signed up and on the HSE list, I do appreciate that this may be a bit of a bummer for some, but in essence how many of you guys / girls out there really know this subject inside out and back to front, have experience of the industry and could answer the questions about licensing types, management of, training, licensed & unlicensed work, safe removal methods, surveying, analytical, haz waste and disposal, what to do in an emergency.

If you know what a 'dead sheet' is then you will know, if you think this is gobbeldy gook then you do not know about working with asbestos.

It always amazes me when I do this how little that the construction industry know about asbestos and trust me in the mqajority of cases its not a lot!
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#9 Posted : 13 November 2006 22:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
PS for all you Licensed Contractors out there it is now a statutory requirement to give your people copies of their Training, face fit and medicals when leaving your company!

You know who you are!
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#10 Posted : 14 November 2006 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Peters
Dave

Could you verify that this link is the full CAWR 2006?

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20062739.htm

If so, u can access it throught the HSE website here > http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...l=hsegen/06-nov-06&cr=01

which has other helpful information regarding the new regs.

A riveting read indeed?

Thanks

Andy
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#11 Posted : 23 November 2006 19:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Oliver
Will these changes address the problem....does it go far enough or are they too restrictive. Introducing a single control limit coupled with the new counting method seems in direct opposition to the de-licencing of TCs.

So how do these changes relate on the shop floor. How do Occupational Hygienists see their role adapting.
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#12 Posted : 23 November 2006 21:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Dave

just read your initial thread. Thanks very much as you do go into lots of detail.

Can I ask you about the training. You say (and I have pasted this),

Mandatory Asbestos training for all persons in the construction and allied buliding trades.

Class 1 training for licensed work
Class 2 training for unlicensed work
Class 3 training for all others (Asbestos Awareness)

I work in construction, (shopfitting) are you saying that all construction workers now need Class 3 even if they never work with asbestos? I know they will come accross the stuff from time to time but they are trained to report each time they do.


Thanks once again

Chris
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#13 Posted : 23 November 2006 22:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Chris you have answered your own question!! I never work with asbestos but come across it from time to time!!!!!!!

that's the whole point, people in the allied building trades do not know if they are or are not working with Asbestos on a daily basis!

is this board I knocking down AIB or supalux? Is this wall I'm about to knock down have an AIB liner, is this ceiling tile I am about to remove have limpet above it!

ALL Persons in the allied building trades have to undergo asbestos Awareness training, it is a mandatory legal requirement look in the ACoP Li43 Working with materials containing asbestos - The Control of Asbestos Regs 2006.

Also if you look in the licensable bit, it used to say that if you work on

AIB
LIMPET
Insulation you had to have a license unless it was minor works

Now it is ANY work with ANY asbestos unless it is 'Short duration maintenance work ( the old minor works 1 hour seven days and no more than two man hours etc, is still there) AND from the Risk Assessment it is work which is of sporadic and low intensity" So you now have to throw into the equation the STEL of 0.6 f/ml of air and your Risk Assessment MUST state why you are of the opinion that the STEL will not be exceeded.

The RA MUST be written by a COMPETENT PERSON for ALL WORK WITH ANY ASBESTOS not just the licensable stuff. So Artex, Cemenet, Floor tiles, gaskets etc and the contents of the RA and MS are explained in detail in the ACoP.

happy reading, any questions email me or you can email Brucie Boy!(Hope you dont mind Bruce!)
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