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Posted By Stuart Hufton
Our organisation has a number of common rooms across the city that they want to increase the use of by letting out to all and sundry for everything from regular meetings of community groups to parties. These common rooms are part of residential schemes for the elderly and usually consist of a lounge/meeting room with a separate kitchen and toilets. At the same time as trying to increase their use, any regular staff presence or inspection of the properties is being withdrawn!
They seem to think it is acceptable to let the rooms out without checking or visiting them from one week to the next! I have raised my concerns with the managers involved and made a number of recommendations that they are arguing about.
I am obviously aware of all our general duties under legislation and have cited them. However, does anyone know of any specific best practice or guidance documents that would relate to village halls, community centres, that sort of thing?
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Posted By Malcolm Greenhouse
When I was performing fire risk assessment of similar properties one o the questions referred to security and the risk of arson. How will security be provided on the site?
Without regular visits who will perform fire call point checks, emergency light checks, fire door checks, etc.?
How will evacuation of the premises be carried out without a member of staff on site?
Just a few of the question I think you should raise with them.
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Posted By Aidan Toner
A bit dated as printed in 1996 BUT for all that, it outlines fire safety in formal risk assessment terms and addresses clearly the role of local management body. (See Section 5)
Essential Fire safety
FIRE SAFETY IN VILLAGE HALLS AND COMMUNITY CENTRES
Produced by The Fire Protection Association
Cost£6.50
Tel 0181 207 2345
Fax 0181 236 9701
Don't forget also the 'bang up to date' document
FIRE SAFETY RISK ASSESSMENT
SMALL AND MEDIUM PLACES OF ASSESMBLY
Cost £12
AVAILABLE FROM
Dept For Communities And Local Govt Publications
08708307099
available on
wwwfiresafetyguides.communities.gov.uk
All the best.
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Posted By Ashley Wood
Stuart, I agree with what Malcolm Greenhouse said. in addition, your organisation will still have to ensure that what is being done by the people that are hiring the facility is safe, otherwise you could end up with a null and void insurance policy! The key is the legislative requirements i.e RRFSO. If you do not check means of escape are clear, doors open correctly, security and arson checks etc, then you are in breach of the legislation and liable to a fine and/or custodial sentence.
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Posted By Salus
Hello Stuart, things I would address,
do not overfill,
see Building regs B, i think this for your requirement is 1m per person when standing.
the number of fire exits in relation to number of persons using the hall at any one time.
Ensure the electrics are safe, should be tested at regular intervals to ensure integrity
have a maintenance programme for the extinguishers and any fire alarms
any risks of slips / trips, check floor areas and access to the venue for any damage or problem areas
have a laminated notice made up with the condition that anyone hiring the hall reads out to all before any use starts / welfare / emergency procedures / contact numbers / first aid provisions
check with your insurer on what they want you to do.
any washing facilities check water temp.cleanliness
beware of any equipment that the hirers may bring to the venue,write up a procedure for this and get the organiser to sign it
any animals being brought to the premises
If children are involved in attending the venue you will need a lot more input from the hazards point of view
put written procedures in place for any problems that may occur whilst in use, heating or something else breaking down, again contact numbers for emergency call out of tradesmen, if required.
might be a problem but look at access / egress for the disabled,
the old one, carry out a general risk assessment on what is going on in the venue, put your "what if" head on and go there as a visitor
asbestos survey should have been done anyway
H.T.H.
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Posted By Stuart Hufton
Hi
Thanks for the info. so far. Fire is the obvious one and I have that one well covered but I am as concerned by liability issues from accidents due to defects or damage, health and hygiene with no one checking kitchens etc. between uses. I guess what I’m really looking for is something to help support the regime I am telling them they should have in place. What do similar places have in place, what is a reasonable inspection regime.
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Posted By Aidan Toner
I think hirers have to be suitably informed that they can hire at 2 different hirage rates.A senior nominated person on the venue management team receives AND approves one of the 2 options BEFORE event takes place.The downside to this is that some pre determination of staffing levels has to thought out per type of general event.
THE CHEAP OPTION;
A-The hirer becomes the -Controllers of Premises- and the hirer produces his/her fire assessment complete with management plan outlining management arrangements,number of staff,named individuals,all working to a rough contractual outline of minimum standards required.Possible insurance cover requested and verified.
THE DEARER OPTION;
B-A managed event with appointed staffed and all personnel responding to paid 'controller of premises' who is yet again obliged to work to preset standards regarding types of event_(Youth club/OAPS ballroom dancing/Dominoes Championships)
A differential charging rate, I believe, serves to sharpen the mind and OPTION 1 will get the respect it deserves once hirers are obliged to sign their name to the safety management plan.You never know, some might hirers might say'to hell with it'lets go for option 2 instead and keep MY neck of the chopping block.
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Posted By Pete48
Stuart,
You do not say whether this hire will take place during normal working hours when other company staff may also be on the premises or out of hours when no staff are present. You do not say whether residents or other clients may be on site during the hire periods. The controls would be different for each of those cases. I would strongly suggest that this is one for your legal department to look at terms and conditions of hire. This can be a complex area that goes beyond H&S matters.
If there are staff on the premises whenever the area is hired out, then they will probably need to be made responsible for the matters that I think you have already identified. If there are no staff on site, then the key areas for me are:
Premises have to be safe for intended use. You are the controller of the premises and have the duty to provide a safe place for the identified uses.
Users can affect the safe condition and you would still have some if not all the responsibility if the venue is unsafe for the next hirer and you have not checked. How will you know if you don't check each time?
Users can affect the safe place by importing equipment and materials, improper use of the facilities and equipment on site. This will all need covering in any hire agreement.
Users will need information about safety and security procedures that they may need to follow both for their own safety and that of others who may be affected such as your staff or residents or other clients. You will need to consider how reasonable it is for them to understand and follow those instructions without trained staff.
Security of premises may be compromised by failure of hirers to secure after use, your insurers will need to be consulted on this. They may want to increase premiums or limit cover.
For our village hall, we always check between events that the hall is fit for use by the next users. We attend on site to “train” or inform any new users on safety drill and to check that they have understood our prohibitions which for us includes not plugging in any their own electrical equipment to our ring main unless we have seen proof of PAT and have checked will not overload our systems. ( we have an electrician on the committee you see) We will also attend to secure whenever we are not confident that we can trust the hirers. Everything else is left to the hirer to act reasonably.
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