Posted By J Knight Hi Mart, First assumption correct; Fire Certificates disappeared in a puff of smoke last month. As for the RA; the responsible person has a duty to ensure that a sufficient RA is conducted. Depending on your premises you might wish to do this yourself, but if its a complex environment ad you aren't familiar with the guidance you might consider getting some help. There's lots of debate about what a competent person for FRAs is; some people go so far as to say that only people who have been fire officers or are fire engineers should do them, others (including me) take a less stringent view. The Department for Communities and Local Government has produced free guidance on conducting FRAs for 12 or so different types of workplace; you can download these free from http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1162101 John

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Could someone offer me a link where I may inspect the list of premises/industries that still require a fire certificate? CFT

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney John Thanks for that, I am of the opinion that certification is still relevant in certain circumstances; munitions production, chemical, or highly inflammable materials are stored/used etc, I may be quite incorrect but have a feeling that certification will still take place in the aforementioned or similar premises. Confirmation of a definitive list would be much appreciated if possible. CFT

Posted By shaun mckeever The whole of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 has been repealed and the whole of the The Fire Certificate (Special Premises) Regulations 1976 has been revoked so I don't believe there is any legislation now in place that still requires fire certification. With respect to undertaking fire risk assessments, you have to realise that this is about life safety, not just yours or your employees but includes all 'relevant' persons. It includes anyone in the immediate vicinity who may be affected by a fire in your premises. The immediate vicinity may be a couple of feet or may be a couple of hundred meters depending on the risk e.g. acetylene cylinders. You must also consider firefighters. Tick box audit type assessments are not good except for the smallest of premises. It's no good ticking the box that refers to fire doors just because the door has a blue and white label on it saying 'fire door'. Too often people are ticking these boxes and don't even know what they are looking for in a fire door. I'm not against people undertaking their own fire risk assessments, I just want them to realise precisely what it is they are undertaking.

Posted By Mart Thanks to everyone who responded. It is much appreciated. Mart