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#1 Posted : 15 November 2006 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes We have a yard where our valeter cleans commercial vehicles ready for the next customer. He is on occasions required to move vehicles around the yard but never out of the gates and onto public road. Would he need an applicable HGV licence or would a Car licence be sufficient as he would have an understanding of the principles of the control of the vehicles; brakes,indicators etc I would assume it would come under PUWER as work equipment but would a car licence be deemed as competent? Any thoughts or comments ??
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#2 Posted : 15 November 2006 09:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I don't believe a licence is required but this person would have to be suitably and sufficiently trained; your insurers would want this also. Reverse the question; if an accident occurred, could you justify this? In a similar situation I had people trained by a local vehicle training company specifically for what they actually did. Only valid onsite, but every body was happy.
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#3 Posted : 15 November 2006 09:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Legally an interesting question; driving licence may be viewed as roads only requirement, but a fatal accident would lead to manslaughter investigation (possibly) how would you answer that the person did not have a licence? Having a licence requires proper training, proper test or you don't get one. HGV's have some odd spots with brakes that have caused accidents (some fatal), I doubt if most car drivers who have not driven HGV's would understand the braking system. I could see a very easy prosecution of the individual and company if this goes wrong. HASAWA and the individual for manslaugher looks a good bet to the regulators. Still you have saved the cost of the training and a test!
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#4 Posted : 15 November 2006 10:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes I have also spoken to the HSE about this this morning. Typicall they just say providing the person is competent and is suitably and sufficiently trained then they dont have a problem. Im currently waiting for the Insurance Co to get back to me. It may well be that we have to undergo suitable training !!!
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#5 Posted : 15 November 2006 10:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier I know of two fatal accidents in the last 12 months involving lorries on sites (i.e. not road). In both cases the lorries were not being driven at the time. Seems to highlight that just knowing how to drive an HGV is not good enough. Whilst a licence is not necessary, it is important that as well as training the driver is assessed and supervised by someone competent to supervise. Link to article regarding one of the accidents http://www.thisislancash...speak_out_on_verdict.php
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#6 Posted : 14 December 2006 21:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By David I have a great interest in Health and Safety issues primarily specialising in the validity of Driving Licences. I would like to be honest and upfront to the forum members and declare that I would like to introduce our business, Advanced Checking Services Ltd. We have a contract with the DVLA and can provide you with a Driving Licence Checking Service which checks licence details direct with the DVLA database. The service is web based and takes away the time consuming task of manually checking licences. As more and more drivers are found to have one or more 'duplicate' licences, it also removes the risk of copying paper licences . A clean one for you, the employer and their dirty one with the points on it. This is a growing problem in the UK and we are working with companies in many areas from logistics to telecommunications to remove the risk posed to them by dishonest drivers. If you have any questions please feel free to call us with no obligation. We can then send you more info and visit you as appropriate. My name is David Blockley and I can be contacted on 0870 163 3884.
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#7 Posted : 15 December 2006 07:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Wow, blatent. Of course members should realise they can do this themselves directly with the DVLA at an approx cost of £4.50 per person.
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#8 Posted : 15 December 2006 18:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie Farmer The DVLA charge £5 and it takes sometimes a couple of weeks to get a result. The result is delivered in paper and if you have a lot of employees who drive, it is very very cumbersome and time consuming. If you need to check the employee on a regular basis, the last thing you need to do is do it all over again the manual way, you lose control. Go to a company like www.drivercheck.co.uk who will look after you and give you electronic online access. This way you have control at the press of a button with full reporting. It costs more, but well worth it!
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