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Posted By Chris Pope
I picked this up on another forum - it is about gas engineers not having sufficient modules to do work which they have city & guilds qualifications to do and have years of experience in and are competent to do
It seems as if such gas engineers are being disenfranchised. Any comments as to how we in the safety world can put this right ?
"Because of the piecemeal way the school has been added to over the years we have 4 different boilers. One really big one in boiler room and 3 similar sized but smaller ones. Although we are a private school all electrical and gas installation work is ordered through LEA.
The same company have been doing this work for as many years as anyone here can remember, but when the engineer came to do annual check and service this time he said that he was unable to do the main boiler as it is over 70kw and he is not GORGI registered for this size.
3 months later our boiler has still not been serviced/checked.
I am all for regulations to ensure people are up to scratch, but the result as afr as we are concerned is that instead of an engineer who has serviced it for the last 5 years doing it again this year whilst waiting for new CORGI assessment - it has now not been serviced at all. With the news yesterday about the school in Kent with a carbon monoxide problem I am now getting very worried!
On speaking to a builder who does a lot of work at the school, he says that he now has difficulty in finding a gas engineer to work on commercial boilers because of the new regs.
Anybody else having this problem?"
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Posted By Stupendous Man
Chris,
This is an ever increasing type of problem. As I understand it (but stand to be corrected) CORGI registered installers will sortly be unable to do the small amounts of electrical work involved in connecting the timer to the electrical system unless they are also Part P or NICEIC approved.
Like you, I agree that these developments in regulation and control will ultimately be of benefit, but can lead to problems where there are shortages of suitably qualified staff.
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
I think you are correct SM.
Also, I believe that being registered to work on commercial systems doesn't give competence for working on domestic installations. You have to do each level separately.
Is someone making money out of this I wonder?
Alan
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Posted By lewes
It has been for a number of years that you have gas safety qualifications for DOMESTIC and some for COMMERCIAL.
These refer to the pipe sizing and not the dwelling type. E.g. domestic boiler in a small office comes under Domestic and a large boiler in a stately home comes under Commercial if that makes sense.
The Domestic covers you upto approx 28mm or 70kW and is then split into core elements.
The main one which is classed as the CORE and you must complete before all others. Then you have additional units for: gas water heaters, gas meters, gas boilers, gas cookers.
The same sort of principle goes for Commercial but you then have extra elements to do with purging.
Sadly one doesnt cross with the other so if you have commercial cooker one you cant do domestic cookers and vice versa.
You also need extra training for LPG appliances too.
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Posted By Brian Peirce
I'm finding this thread very interesting.
Can anyone advise whether there is a separate qualification for domestic gas safety that concentrates purely on the theory/legislation etc (i.e without the practical element)?
My reason for asking is that I am waiting a possible job transfer. The new role will involve site safety inspections of gas engineers who install/service domestic gas central heating systems.It has been suggested that I would need training/qualifications in gas safety but that the practical element would not be required as I would be carrying out the inspections purely in my role as a H & S professional.
I'm unable to locate any such gas safety qualifcations that exclude the practical element.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted By lewes
When I last was involved in a P&H company which was late last year there wasnt a defined national training course for supervisors.
There maybe a local training provider that can provider a suitable course to cover such a course.
This link below is for a local training provider who offer a Basic Gas Utilisation (Domestic) Course but im unsure if this a nationally recognised course.
http://www.chsl.org.uk/training.htm
Hope this helps
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Posted By Brian Peirce
Many thanks for info, Lewes.
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