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Posted By Eddie Smith
I wonder if anybody might be able to assist me with this matter. Insurers are presently looking into it.
A delivery lorry came on to our site and reversed into one of the cabins. Problem was, one of our guys was guiding him. Does any liability attach to the driver for this?
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
my basic answer is no, as the driver was being guied by the banksman. how can the driver look anywhere else only at the banksman. driver training.
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Posted By Eddie Smith
That does seem like the logical answer to this and I suspect that it wlll be the result of the insurance enquiries.
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Posted By holmezy
I thought that the banksman is there to guide the lorry driver, not take full responsibility for the drivers actions?
What if the driver mis interpreted a signal, or didnt see it?
What if the banksman denied giving the signal to reverse into the goods?
Driver has a significant share or responsibility.
Would you jump off a bridge if someone told you to, and if you would, would you check first for potential hazards?
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Posted By Paul Oliver
Why did the driver need to be banked in the first place?
What measures are in place to co-ordinate the safe movement of vehicles throughout the area?
What measures are in place to keep reversing to a minimum?
What training has the banksmen had?
What conversations (if any) took place between the driver and the banskmen before the vehicle movement started?
Luckily he's hit a building and not a person!!!!
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Posted By Davelfc
I would say that simply to say the driver is blameless is reckless. There are occaisions where drivers have been known to ignore the banksman and are the main cause of the incident.
I would say in this case you need and incident investigation if have not already done so Eddie.
the previous response was closer to the mark with regard training and communication etc, which have a large part to play in this type of incident
Regards
Dave
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
basically; is the banksman trained? competent to do the job?
what are the objections from the insurance company.
then look at your own prodecures for delivery of goods.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
You Insurers will no doubt look for ways to resist or reduce the amount of any claim. A likely question would be: were both the driver and the banksman properly trained and instructed in techniques (in accordance with the Safety Signs & Signals Regs), had there been adequate dialogue beforehand, or was this just some impromptu and potentially unauthorised guiding to help out the driver of a larger vehicle.
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Some good thoughts here so far.
I would like to ask this question
how many of you have had to reverse a 40 ft artic into a narrow access to a site through overhanging trees unmade road while it is raining cats and dogs. BECAUSE its the only way in no turning space inside the site...
You must have a banks man. He must be switched on, your safe system of work must be fool proof, some idiot will test it to the limit. I can say this because of personal experience in this area. (Not the accident) The driver will arrive at site,park go to the site office ensure delivery is expected, enquire as to the location of drop off point. Seek assistance for any tricky situations, offload . etc.. I am not saying the drive in question is blameless but check your risk assessment for reversing vehicles on site, ensure the banksman is trained. NO REVERSING WITHOUT PROPPER SUPERVISION!!! Hope your insurance provider understands. Regards Alan N
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Posted By Paul Oliver
Not wanting to be a show off Alan, but in a previous lift I used to do it all the time, aswell as in the dark and pouring down with rain.
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by the way,,,,,do you live in Norwich????
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Hi Paul
I don't want to hijack the thread.
No I don't come from Norwich I live and work in the depths of Wiltshire. We be country folk.
Glad I don't do it any more to earn a crust.
Any reason? (email)
As my old tutor used to say; Answers on the back of a postage stamp in 6 foot letters please!!
Regards Alan N
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