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Posted By Homer
We are going to hire an all terrain MEWP for some up and coming work. Hire company will run short operators course for us. Is this sufficient? Reality is, although it's all terrain its an unfinished building site and reasonably level, work is straight forward and users are skilled trades.
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Posted By Alan Woodage
Homer,
In my opinion NO, Generally and as agreed under CPA / hire company / plant industry schemes the hire company will give familiarisation training to the competent operative. By this I mean the layout of controls, location of emergency descent valves etc specific to the item of plant as different models and manufacturers have controls etc in different locations and or labelled differently.
Realistically you should train your operatives to IPAF standard or CPCS. Personally IPAF every time. one day course generally costs no more than £150 per man on a group course.
Then they can be given the familiarisation training by the hirer. Don't forget experience is at least 50% of competency so RA accordingly and ideally mentor the new operates using experienced guy's you can trust.
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Homer
Tend to support Alan's views. What I would ask is as this is an unfinished project, and I assume still under CDM, what are you to the site, are you the PC or sub contracting as I would have thought that there would be minimum standards they would expect you to adhere to and I would have expected to see IPAF as part of that overall package.
I don't know what your relationship is to the site as you did not say, which is why I ask the question.
CFT
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Posted By P.R
Homer
I absolutely back Alan and CFT's views. IPAF every time for me!
Also, don't forget that "All Terrain" very rarely means "ALL". rough ground yes, but some supposed all terrain mewps are not suitable for the extremes of some building sites.
IPAF course will allow for questions like this to be asked.
Peter
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Posted By Homer
Gents I understnd and generally agree but what is the legal position re competency?
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Posted By P.R
Homer
As long as you could prove competency, you should be ok. However, as you are aware, being competent and actually proving it, are worlds apart!!
I would still go with a training body for:
A) peace of mind that I had a trained workforce
B) peace of mind that I could prove competency!
Regards
Peter
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Homer Ask the hire company if they are able to issue you a certificate of competence. I have included a link which will assist you in the production of a SSOW, it will help you also with any restraint systems you need. There are legal duties; just as there is for many situations/processes/plant operation etc I suggest you check through the list on the link, all should then become clear to you. The list is contained in the link so I shan't prattle on here. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/misc614.pdfAll the best CFT
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