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Posted By Mark Ellis
Hi everyone, I have been informed today by a major uk house builder that carpenters wooden saw horses will no longer be allowed on site, although I understand they are not designed for carpenters to stand on,as they often do.
But for cutting timber they are ideal and have been for many years. Aluminium work platforms will be allowed. This will be a tough one to enforce. Has anyone had come across this yet?
Mark.
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Posted By Ralph Baqar
Mark, I’m currently dealing with a civil claim from a joiner who was using his bench to stand on. Even though this chap worked for a sub-contractor. As we were the principal contractor we are having to defend this action. This may be one of the reasons behind this ban.
If you want the full ‘SP’ on this issue e-mail me direct.
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Posted By Chris Pope
I expect like all of these edicts, the supervisors on site will soon get bored on this one. If you are really cunning I am sure you can smuggle one of those folding ones in !
would have to agree though that they do make unsafe working plarforms, and this is easily solved with the Aly stools.
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Posted By Mark Ellis
Thanks Ralph for all the information it's much appreciated, and Cris - it's not a Trojan horse... the problem is the inconsistency from site to site, contractors like ourselves move amongst several principle contractors on a weekly sometimes daily basis, the differences are sometimes considerable; fall arrest sysems,nets, bags,crash decks,birdcage scaffolds,lanyards,& inductions, cscs cards, no cscs cards, pat test stickers,stools ok, stools not ok, ppe ect its all inconsistent from site to site.
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Posted By Jim Walker
Mark,
Regarding inconsistencies.
From the other side of the argument; as a compant who often are PC I get heartily sick of subbies turning up with no brief as to whats acceptable or not, on our sites.
We carefully list these at tender to be used as training documents, but they seem to go no further than the subbies HQ office files.
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Posted By Alan Woodage
Mark,
I can see exactly where this is coming from. Basically if your carpenter, as many do, builds / creates his own saw horse / trestle, this then becomes part of his / her work equipment. When in use it collapses and the operative is injured!! Claim results how do you prove that the item of work equipment was suitable for the task and fit for purpose. As it is not CE marked etc and has no formal design and qualification of capacities etc.
If that seems a little confusing think of it this way a ladder is equally a piece of work equipment but would you let your carpenter build his own??
I know this is really another bonkers conkers scenario, Thousand of carpenters for thousands of years have done this with no major incidents but unfortunately in the litigious society we now operate in we have to cover the bases to protect our employers and our own professional indemnity.
Hope this clarifies things.
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Posted By Mark Ellis
Hi Jim, I couldn't agree more, however with a high turnover of tradesmen mainly due to the rise and fall of demand, it is a constant problem and not an ideal situation. Mark.
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Posted By Mark Ellis
Thanks everyone for your help, it does make things a little less painful when you have the correct information at hand when dealing with an irate carpenter, its not easy telling someone to change something in their work routine, no matter how small. Mark.
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