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#1 Posted : 05 December 2006 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By M Kirby Can anyone give me advice on "Grave digging" I.e. Safe system of work for a 9ft Grave, or method statement for the same? Alternatively, can anyone point me in the right direction for National standards in relation to grave digging? Thanks in advance Best regards Mick
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#2 Posted : 05 December 2006 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Sanders I don't know of any standard, although I suspect there is one, but digging a grave should be treated in the same way as digging any excavation. Control should be in place to prevent collapse and to ensure the excavation doesn't pose a risk to people or vehicles that may fall into it. Steve
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#3 Posted : 05 December 2006 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Margia I think the Institute of Burial have produced some guidelines, although I have to say when I contacted them some time ago they were most unhelpful - don't think they're used to dealing with the living.
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#4 Posted : 05 December 2006 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor Strangely enough, it will come under the Work at Height Regs and require risk assessment taking into account the nature of the ground and ground-water conditions as well as access. In your example, I wouldn't want to be standing in the grave without adequately supported soil and a good ladder of sufficient length. Potential hazards from any other occupants of the grave and soil-borne and animal-related diseases (such as Leptospirosis) should also be considered. It's a long time since I was with a local authority but still remember the grave-digger who ate his sandwiches on site and contracted Weil's Disease. Perhaps a current LA H&S person will have some literature for you on this work?
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#5 Posted : 05 December 2006 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins You can find info on shoring equipment, etc. on cemetery suppliers websites such as http://www.funeral-crema...om/cemetery_supplies.htm I thought graves were mechanically dug nowadays, with some manual 'tidying up'. 9ft is a deep one. Alan
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#6 Posted : 05 December 2006 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris G It's not always possible to mechanically dig graves. Access in many rural churchyards - especially to re open a family plot makes physical access for a mechanised digger difficult or impossible. In busy areas, family plots designed to take 3 or 4 interments can be 3m deep. Here in the peak district graves sometimes need cutting through the local limestone. My brother in law occasionally has to resort to pneumatic drilling equipment because of this - adding HAVs & PUWER onto the remit of risks to be assessed for grave digging. He also gets an average of 2 visits per year from the LA's. Not surprising that He's Nebosh Diploma'd and each member of staff receives and average 4 days per annum HS&E training ranging from bio-hazards, COSHH & manual handling through to DSE, environmental assessment & Asbestos awareness. with a fair few more topics as well . A major project for a family vault has recently even got caught up with CDM.
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#7 Posted : 05 December 2006 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins ...and my uncle used to dig the graves with just a pick and shovel, no shoring, no risk assessments... nice clay soil though. He died (of natural causes) at 87 years old. Been retired from digging for about 17 years, but still the Verger. Alan
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#8 Posted : 05 December 2006 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby' Worlds greatest gravdiggers.... Joe Strummer unfortuantely and all too soon using personally one now! and Dave Vanian, aledgedly sleeps in a coffin, well you explain why hes hardly aged! both manual ex gravediggers... I have picturers of both, dirty great holes in the ground, one with scaffold board shuttering, one without Philby'
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#9 Posted : 05 December 2006 15:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By CW Mike, you have mail.
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#10 Posted : 05 December 2006 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By M Kirby Thanks to all responders, I have enough information now. Now to spend a day watching a grave being dug..... Can't wait! Best regards Mick
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#11 Posted : 05 December 2006 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Sounds like a fun day out - don't forget your sandwiches!
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#12 Posted : 06 December 2006 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Holden The Institute of Burial and Cremation Administration (IBCA) used to produce a Code of Practice for Grave Digging which the HSE used as the definitive standard. They are located c/o The City of London Cemetery and Crematorium, Aldersbrook Road, Manor Park, London, E12 5DQ, Telephone 0207 7332 3450.
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