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Posted By Raymond Horan
Hi,
I hope you can help me......
This may sound a no brainer but here goes.
If CDM regs do not apply ( except for designers duties} What is NOT required paper work wise from a H & S point of view.
I'm getting a lot of flack from a PS over a job that has a value of 25K and will not last more than 10 days and will employ no more than four people at any one time.
RAMS have been provided along with insurances etc.
Do I have to supply a Health and Safety Plan covering the constuction phase of the works on site?
I would appreciate any suggestions.
Many Thanks
Ray
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Posted By Ken Taylor
Why is there a Planning Supervisor if it's not a CDM job?
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Posted By Raymond Horan
Hi Ken
The person in question is a acting as the Project Manager for the client (school)but is requesting what I perceive to be far too much information.
He is in fact an Architect appointed by the school to look after the project on a day today basis.
Our product, which we design , manufacture and construct was purchased by the school.
He is requesting information on
Existing Environment
Site wide elements
Overlap with existing use
Site rules.
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Posted By mbarrett
Hi Raymond
You have my sympathies, What exactly are you doing?
I get this request on a regular basis from architects and have a letter from the HSE to say that our operations do not come under the CDM regulations (playground installation)which is initially sent out with the normal documents.
I do however have a pre-prepared H&S Plan where I can just add local details, along with RAMS & Insurance this seems to appease even the most pedantic architects!
However the HSE have advised us that where the work forms part of a larger construction project where CDM does apply , the subcontractor (us) shall be under duty to provide relevant information and comply with any applicable rules in the health and safety plan.
Hope this helps
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Posted By John_72
It looks from the information you supplied that he doesn't want a Construction Phase Health and Safety Plan, but further details on how you are planning to manage the health and safety of your worksite.
Irrespective of CDM you still need to demonstrate this.
It looks as though he is trying to ensure that everything is covered and bearing in mind he is managing a project in a school, who can blame him.
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Posted By Raymond Horan
Gentlemen Above,
Thank you for your responses and sympathies.
To answer your question, MBarret, We are installing a canopy over part of a playground in a school and this is the only works being carried out.
The contractors we are using to do the erection work are experienced in building our products and have even been to site and met the Architect for a pre start meeting.
The ground worker also attended the meeting and in fact was reccommended to us by the Architect.
John, I agree with you that H & S is paramount in schools. The information supplied to this guy is the same that we have supplied to many other schools and this is the first time there has been a 'comeback'.
I am beginning to doubt my abilities to maintain a good record of providing relevant H&S information.
Thanks again for your assistance
Ray
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Posted By Ken Taylor
The request to see your site rules seems reasonable - although I always provided client's rules to the contractor for school work. As to the other headings, these are standard CDM items for a pre-tender plan largely for the client to provide information to the contractor about the site and what else may be taking place at the time that could affect or be affected by the job. I trust that the client has provided you with that information as far as it is available to them. You say that you have provided risk assessments and method statements - presumably you have addressed the presence of others on or near the site (particularly the pupils) within those documents?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
I suppose it is a good thing that he omitted the CRB checks in case your contractors were ever alone with a pupil!!!:-)
Bob
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Posted By mbarrett
Hi again Ray
You may want to get in touch with HSE and get a letter of confirmation that what you are doing does not come under CDM.
On another note --
If you are installing a canopy near to existing play equipment you may want to check that you are not impinging on safety distances from that equipment. I recently had an absolute nightmare with a site where a canopy had been installed on a playground with the posts too close to the equipment. We ended up removing and reinstalling the equipment at an unbelievable cost.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
I had it in our rules for contractors, Bob, that there should be no contact with pupils at the schools (and with residents in the care establishments too) - an exception being addressing a school assembly to provide information, advice, etc - thereby avoiding (hopefully) both incidents and CRB type issues.
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