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Posted By cara
I went to a comedy show last night, large venue but not huge and thought I’d buy a bottle of mineral water (not for drinking straight away but for during the show) and to my amazement the girl serving took off the lid and said she couldn’t let me have it due to 'health and safety'! How ridiculous! I Spent all night then trying not to knock it over!
Now I can kind of understand this if I was at a football match and was a football hooligan but I wasn’t and I’m not!
Any one else come across this?
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Posted By SeanThompson
Maybe it was a joke? after all it is a 'comedy venue'
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Posted By cara
Well, that's what I thought at first, the girl was a bit embarrassed by the silly rule tho!!
Not actually a comedy venue - it was Cardiff International Arena.
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Posted By Steve Wood
have had this at football matches abroad - i THINK it's because, when thrown, a plastic bottle without a top is much softer than with the top screwed on tightly, and also lighter (may lose a fair amount of water in the air if it's spinning).
you must look like a hooligan!
of course, the water presents it's own hazard.
:-)
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Posted By Chris121
its quote a common issue at many concerts/events etc and it down to people tripping over full bottles when left or, droppped on the floors resulting in many twisted ankles/sprains etc
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Posted By cara
Chris, May I ask where you got that info from? haha, the world has gone mad!
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Posted By Crim
I bet you could have bought a cup of boiling hot coffee or tea to carry round with you.
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Posted By J Knight
Cara,
it's because a bottle full of water weighs up to 1.5K, which if it hits will hurt and may even cause serious damage; to hold water it needs a top, without a top it will lose all its water and therefore mass when thrown and instead of a heavy projectile will just became unsightly litter,
John
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
yes, you could have got the boiling hot tea or coffee in a mug, cup, paper cup or pot! but you could not have had a container of hot water to heat your baby's bottle! that would breach the elf'n'safety!
Local restuarant rules!
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
yes, you could have got the boiling hot tea or coffee in a mug, cup, paper cup or pot! but you could not have had a container of hot water to heat your baby's bottle! that would breach the elf'n'safety!
Local restuarant rules!
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
yes, you could have got the boiling hot tea or coffee in a mug, cup, paper cup or pot! but you could not have had a container of hot water to heat your baby's bottle! that would breach the elf'n'safety!
Local restuarant rules!
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Posted By cara
Yes Crim you could and you could even buy (glass) bottles of beer, glasses of champagne, ice cream and hotdogs etc! Obviously a glass bottle could do more damage than a plastic one even with the lid on!
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Posted By J Knight
They may be inconsistent in their assessment, but the weight is the reason,
John
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Posted By Peter Leese
Please explain then why my metal flask of coffee is acceptable at a football match but the top has to be taken off a a bottle of coke.
Of course the obvious way round this is to take a spare top!
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Posted By J Knight
Like I say, its inconsistent; perhaps if there is any reasoning at all involved it could be that the assessor has guessed that you're less likely to lob your beloved stainless steel flask at the ref than a recently purchased and much cheaper bottle of water,
John
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Posted By Martyn Astey
This is taken from a venue guide .....
"Bottle tops are removed for two reasons - firstly, a full bottle makes an effective missile when thrown (whereas one without a top will empty mid-flight, making it less dangerous) and secondly, a bottle with the cap on will roll instead of crush in the event of an evacuation and could cause people to trip or slip up."
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Posted By cara
A glass bottle will roll too!
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Posted By Martyn Astey
Yes, but what about reason 1 - emptying if thrown.
Are you saying that you don't believe the reasons given?
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Posted By cara
Of course I'm not saying I don't!
But, a glass bottle will hurt as much if thrown (empty or full) if not more!
And as I've already said - I could kind of understand the rules in a footy match - but a comedy show?
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Posted By Martyn Astey
I suppose its about lowering the risk, not eliminating the risk - not all the bottles will be glass, the majority may be plastic.
If we believe that one of the reasons is because of injury during an evacuation, then an evacuation can happen anywhere not just a football match.
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Posted By cara
Fair point Martyn.
I think I'll take my own lid next time though!! :)
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Posted By Martyn Astey
It does annoy me though when you ask the staff why and the only answer they can give is because of elf-n-safety.
Surely it wouldn't take too much effort for the organizers to explain to their staff why they have to take the caps off - or would that lead to even more arguments with the customers?
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Posted By Peter Leese
OK guys get round this one. I have just:
1) filled a plastic water bottle with water put the cap back on and thrown it at a tree. Actually that should be (2) because I missed the tree the first time! The bottle did not burst.
2) filled the same bottle and threw it without the cap on. Guess what - hardly any of the water spilled until it hit the tree. Then the tree got wet.
So, no I don't believe the reasons given in terms of loss of water, but it might be valid in terms of not squashing underfoot in the event of an emergency evacuation. And again I learn something from the most trivial threads.
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Posted By cara
Haha, Madness see!!
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Posted By Derek Singleton
I believe the reason could be that discarded bottle tops when stepped on are really quite slippy, and they venue is trying to control STF.
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Posted By Peter Leese
Yes, Cara, absolutely, and also very pleased we took 4 points off Cardiff this season, without throwing a single bottle.
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Posted By The toecap
Its nothing to do with safety, i believe its to do with them being able to sell you another bottle when you knock the first one over. And it so that they can take bottles off you when entering due to the fact that they haven't been sold by them. They use the safety ticket to be able to sell more and make loads. I bet the bottle of water was quite expansive
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Posted By Peter Leese
It was expensive as well!!!!
£3.10 for a cup of bovril and small bottle of coke.
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Posted By JPK
It will be a generic rule, ie. Cardiff Int will not allow caps on bottles for concerts and the like, so the rule would be carried through to comedy shows etc..
Also your comment about Football fans..
Why would an abusive drunk at a comedy show be any different to a tanked up football FAN!
I hold a season ticket at football and am not allowed a cap on any bottles of course.
But I have been to many comedy night in town and the same applies. Also for such a small crowd that attends a comedy show, the groups of lads on a office night out or start of a stag do can be ALOT more abusive, especially when the performers retaliate with a joke about them.
Be sensible, this is a good thing!!!
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Posted By cara
I'm really not that bothered about such a trivial issue, just wondered if anyone else had encountered the same!
It wasn't that sort of comedy show, it was a well know TV program Live and was a brilliant night!
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