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#1 Posted : 12 December 2006 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leaman One of our recovery drivers (7.5 tonne truck) has been involved in a RTA. His vehicle struck a pedestrian, it wasn't a frontal impact so the assumption at the moment is that the victim stepped or fell off of the pavement into the side of our lorry, regretfully there were no witnesses. Our driver stopped and the Emergency services were called and the victim is now in a critical condition in hospital. The Police called Scenes of Crime and the whole incident is being treated seriously due to the injuries and the age of the victim (75years old). He has been advised that it is not being treated as a wreckless or Dangerous driving offence but he may be charged with careless driving if evidence is found. Both he and the company are concerned about the poor guy that was hit and we will not be shirking from our responsibilities whatever the outcome. The question I have is should this accident be reported? As a serious road accident the Police are already investigating the event but should I involve the HSE as well?
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#2 Posted : 12 December 2006 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight RIDDOR excludes RTAs on public roads, the only road accidents reportable under RIDDOR are accidents involving people working on the roads, i.e. construction workers, litter pickers etc, John
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#3 Posted : 12 December 2006 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight PS; the Police will involve HSE if they think that there may be implications of transport management failures or defective vehicles and so on, John
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#4 Posted : 12 December 2006 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leaman Thanks for the quick response, I thought as much but had to be sure. Paul
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#5 Posted : 12 December 2006 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Paul, Always worth checking if you haven't come across it before. Its a bit of an anomaly really; after all maybe as many as 1,500 workers die on the roads every year, which dwarfs fatality rates for all other work activity combined, but HSE aren't formally supposed to know or care, John
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#6 Posted : 12 December 2006 18:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The HSE Guidance to Regulation 10(Restrictions on the application of regulations 3, 4 and 5) of RIDDOR is that:- Regulations 3 (Notification and reporting of injuries and dangerous occurrences) and Regulation 4 (Reporting of the death of an employee) do not apply to accidents involving vehicles moving on public roads unless they involve or are connected with: (a) exposure to any substance being conveyed by road; (b) vehicle loading and unloading activities such as those performed by refuse collectors, brewery delivery workers, furniture removers, etc; (c) the specified construction, demolition, alteration, repair or maintenance activities on or alongside public roads; or (d) an accident involving a train where a person is killed or injured Therefore a "simple" RTA, even if it is a fatality, not involving (a) to (c) above is not RIDDOR reportable. It is possible that the police will follow up any fatality on road. Refer to :- http://www.hse.gov.uk/roadsafety/index.htm
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#7 Posted : 13 December 2006 00:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dan dan This will change with the intro of the revised RIDDOR in the near future (watch that gap be filled)
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#8 Posted : 13 December 2006 13:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi I very much doubt that there is going to be a revision of RIDDOR in the near future. Refer to:- Minutes of a meeting of the Health and Safety Commission held on 25 July 2006 http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...ngs/2006/050906/cm07.pdf Extract:- The Commission agreed that there should be no change to the current regulations but that communication and process improvements should be pursued. HSE Paper to HSC on 25 July 2006 i.e.Review of the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1995 - Progress and Strategic Steer http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...ings/2006/250706/c40.pdf Para 16:- The RIDDOR Review Discussion exercise floated the specific issue of making work-related road traffic incidents RIDDOR reportable, and responses suggested real-world demand for such a requirement, primarily to signal the importance of the issue. Since the end of 2005 however, we have been engaged with DfT in a programme of work designed to raise awareness of employers’ (and employees’) responsibilities in relation to safe driving. One element of this was to agree new guidance with the police to reinforce a mechanism whereby the police provide us with information on accidents where there is reason to suspect that failures in health and safety management were a significant causal factor. IN VIEW OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS AND THE REVIEW’S OBJECTIVES, WE ADVISE THE COMMISSION TO AGREE THAT ANY CONSULTATION DOCUMENT SHOULD MAKE THE CASE AGAINST INCLUDING A REQUIREMENT TO REPORT ON WORK-RELATED ROAD TRAFFIC INCIDENTS RIDDOR Review Proposed Change Options:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...ngs/2006/250706/c40c.pdf
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#9 Posted : 13 December 2006 23:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dan dan so what you are saying the injuries as a result of an rta at work still wont be included
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#10 Posted : 14 December 2006 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Where did you get your information from Dan dan?
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