Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Admin  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2006 15:16:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By srd 'IOSH is Europe's leading body for health and safety professionals.' reads the opening paragraph on the 'About Us' page of the IOSH website. Why is the organisation called the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH), and not the Institution of Occupational Health and Safety (IOHS)? Stephen.
Admin  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2006 16:29:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Merv Newman Safety is immediate. Health is long term. Merv
Admin  
#3 Posted : 17 December 2006 16:34:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By srd Hi Merv. I take your point. However, the HSE points out that for 2005 / 2006, out of the 30 million working days that were lost overall, 24 million were due to work-related ill health compared to 6 million due to workplace injury. Surely this ranks health as a higher priority than injuries/safety? Stephen.
Admin  
#4 Posted : 17 December 2006 16:55:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Pugwash Eye-osh against Eye-o-huh-sus or even Eye-hose It just trips off the tongue a whole lot better! But why Institution and not Institute? Institute would make much more sense to me but I guess that's just the way it is.
Admin  
#5 Posted : 17 December 2006 18:38:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Ken Taylor Occupational Safety always seems to predominate. Perhaps it's to do with the evolution of the body from the Institute of Industrial Safety Officers and the later inclusion of the Institute of Municipal Safety Officers. Personally my more recent job titles have listed 'health' before 'safety' and I have argued the need to address both 'health' and 'safety' at work. The term 'health and safety' seems to have achieved something of a 'collective noun' identity (or notoriety) these days so, perhaps, the Institute's title is seen as a means of declaring the inclusion of safety practitioners and health practitioners - as well as the 'health and safety' ones? An official response from IOSH would be of interest here.
Admin  
#6 Posted : 17 December 2006 18:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Pugwash Which is it? Health and safety IS important or Health and safety ARE important?
Admin  
#7 Posted : 18 December 2006 08:10:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Mart Does it really matter!
Admin  
#8 Posted : 18 December 2006 08:29:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Sean Warburton Not really, don't let it beat you up guys, its Christmas.
Admin  
#9 Posted : 18 December 2006 17:30:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Ken Taylor Well, I think it important, Pugwash - and both are correct. The first statement refers to a subject known as 'health and safety' whereas the second refers to two subjects namely 'health' and 'safety'. All three are important - as are the distinctions between them.
Admin  
#10 Posted : 18 December 2006 19:39:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Pugwash Thank you Ken. It had never occurred to me that both might be correct. But thinking about it, yes, I agree. Now how about the difference between an Institution and an Institute. Is there any difference?
Admin  
#11 Posted : 18 December 2006 20:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By andy evans If I recall correctly: An Institution has Royal Charter but an Institute does not.
Admin  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2006 22:41:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Peter Leese I think some of you guys are overdue a holiday!
Admin  
#13 Posted : 19 December 2006 10:55:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Tabs Institution = (n)an important organization or public body Institute = (n)an organization for the promotion of science, education, etc. Ref: Oxford online dictionary.
Admin  
#14 Posted : 19 December 2006 17:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Ken Taylor Institution: A society established for some object, especially cultural or charitable. Institute: An institution. (Chamber's Etymological English dictionary.)
Admin  
#15 Posted : 19 December 2006 21:32:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Pugwash hummmm..... I don't think that they are completely interchangeable. I sense subtle differences. Would you rather be a member of an Institution or an Institute? I would rather join an "Institute" as it sounds more classy than "Institution", more up-market. "Institution" conjures up thoughts of a musty old hall at the end of narrow alley lit by gas-lamps. While an "Institute" brings to mind an august body housed in an impressive mansion on the top of a hill. I think a name change would be in order to the "Institute of Occupational Safety and Health". Much more 21st century. I feel a long holiday coming on.
Admin  
#16 Posted : 19 December 2006 22:31:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By mark limon eh
Admin  
#17 Posted : 20 December 2006 00:02:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By srd Or even the 'Institute of Occupational Health and Safety' - IOHS. Stephen.
Admin  
#18 Posted : 20 December 2006 07:27:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Merv Newman To get back to the original point. To the best of my historical knowledge, (1900 or thereabouts), we started with fire prevention or fire brigades. Then it became "Fire and Safety" F&S Then it was "Fire, Health and Safety". FHS Finally, currently, it is "Safety, Health and Environment". SHE or ESH if you like. or even HES Sometimes combined with quality to make QSE. Depends who you are working for. "institution" is OK by my dictionary. Though it does remind me of a mental hospital. Yep, about right. Merv
Admin  
#19 Posted : 20 December 2006 07:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By William IOHS does not have any ring to it really, but as for more people being off work with health related issues as opposed to safety, the following should be considered. Occupational illnesses can be developed over years, sometimes decades. These can include RSI, back problems, the results of exposure to asbestos, stress and so on. So if there are 24 million days lost a year due to conditions such as this it does not mean that they were developed in that year. Then this brings us into a different area about the way that lost working days are calculated, such as should a company with a employee or ex employee who develops asbestosis 20 years after being exposed to asbestosis, report this as a lost working day, and what if the worker has retired?
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.