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Posted By Gareth W Jones
A question...
A guest at a Holiday park slips when leaving the swimming pool, fractures their arm and hip, is then taken to hospital. Do the owners of the park have to report this as a RIDDOR?? Asked this question to an advisor at the RIDDOR contact centre and they have told me NO, the advisor stated that because the accident was unavoidable the park owners had no duty to report it?? Is this right??
Your opinions please.
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Posted By Tabs
Reportable. Member of public taken to hospital is a specific category required to be reported.
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Posted By Tabs
and a second thing ... I wish we could all say that accidents were "unavoidable" and not bother to do our jobs, eh :-)
*sigh*
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Posted By Gareth W Jones
Agree totally!! I was amazed that this was the answer I received from the advisor, does this not make the RIDDOR team decision makers on causation factors??
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Posted By Tabs
Under the terms of this forum, I can't tell you what it makes them.
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Posted By Jim Walker
If I received that response from RIDDOR help desk, I'd be formally writing to the HSE for an explanation.
Who are HSE employing these days?
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Posted By terry mallard
From what has been mentioned-Reportable under RIDDOR as in my opnion the floor condition is connected to the operation of the swiming pool-it may be that they have the wrong type of floor or surface finish, given that it is reasonably forseebale that water will be present and they have no control over public footwear.........
Speak to LA Env Health-more likely to be LA enforced under Enforcing Regs 1998 not HSE.........
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Posted By terry mallard
On my soap box, not every work place is HSE enforced-in fact us in LA have over half the workplaces to regulate and no doubt with the changes we will get more... so there
Sorry i hate reading that everything is HSE. HSE this ,HSE that.
NB i am not saying that all LAs do a good job of Enforcing either.... so there
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Posted By Dave Wilson
National britannia @ caerphilly run this 'call centre' on behalf of the HSE I believe
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Posted By Jim Walker
Dave,
In that case, sounds like HSE need to audit their supplier.
Terry,
What you say is true, but I assume any RIDDOR is reported to same place regardless of enforcer
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Posted By terry mallard
Jim,
Yes, you are right all go to gold ole ICC-funny how RIDDOR Regs makes no reference to them-but i gather changes are to happen to RIDDOR?
Dont ask me the detail -i am too busy doing Topic Inspections and Fit 3 work oh and working safely at height putting up home chrissy decs and making sure that persons who are not in my employment ( eg the misses, my children and the family cat) are not affected by my working practices.
Ho Ho Ho i say and ps..... Safety does not stop for Christmas
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Posted By Gareth W Jones
Terry,
Dont forget visitors to your home (Ho Ho Ho! Red suit etc)
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Posted By Crim
I hope you don't mind me jumping in here (no pun intended) I was speaking to my local E H O yesterday about an accident in a shop involving a member of the public, and was told that the injured person must go straight to hospital from the scene for the accident to be reoortable under RIDDOR.
Is she right or could the injured person wait a few days to see how the injury heals or otherwise before going to hospital for treatment. I'm thinking about open wounds becoming infected days after the event?
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Posted By terry mallard
Yes-straight from scene-so clarity of it being connected to where it happened can be maintained.
Can all get messy if few days /weeks later allegations are made that this happened there and then.
Mind you CCTV can facilitate any doubt.
Jim-yes must not forget Santa safety, who and his helpers
Sensible risk management i say.....................
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Posted By Crim
If straight from the scene applies to members of the public why doesn't the first day following an accident at work always count as day 1 for a three day injury?
This is a subject discussed many times before and will, no doubt crop up again.
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