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#1 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka Having completed our WAH risk assessment, I now need to create a rescue plan, but am not convinced I am starting from the right point on it. I am aware of suspension trauma, and the need to resuce promptly and subsequent treatment of a casualty. We have a six storey building with a cable fall arrest system around the balconies, all people use a harness and lanyard with fall arrest equipment when accessing the balconies. Our other building is four storey and has a mansard type roof with lock on eyebolts for a harness, both on the roof, and internally by windows. The equipment and eyebots are checked periodically as per guidelines and records are kept. Around this the rescue plan has to be built, we do not have MEWPs on site so they are out of the equation. Can anyone offer some process and procedure info that might be useful, and guidance on what rescue kit we need to have?
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#2 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh My experience of this was gained as a manager of a scaffold company, so my advice may not apply literally. I would approach a company which provides training in this. They can advise you on what types of kit is required. For scaffolding we used a "gotcha" kit and trained people to use it. Basically the suspended person has an extra rope attached to them whilst they are hanging and the rescuer uses their own weight via a winch to lift them up to the platform or takes the weight, cuts the old line and lowers them to the floor. This has to happen in minutes by the way! Some so called "rescue plans" say that they will call the emergency services. These plans are not worth the paper they are written on. You have to be able to rescue people "in house" and the emergency services back you up. Hope this helps.
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#3 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jimmy R Makka, We have recently had a new fall arrest system put in place. When we got round to asking advice on emergency plans with the installer they told us that there plan was to call the Fire and Rescue Service as they could attend most sites in minutes and have all the necessary equipment to do the job! Right or wrong it has to be considered as an option. Jim
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#4 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald I'll second the Spanset Gotcha system. Training required and lots of refresher practice to be done though. Peter
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#5 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By brian mills Makka, We use Abseilers as a rescue team, ideally you would want them to be available during the work at height. If you have the resources and the men are willing to undertake the abseiling training it would be an excellent way to rescue within the recommended time Please let me know if I can be of any help? Regards Brian
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#6 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By William What is common offshore is the use of the sala blocks retriever sets for clipping onto the harness and if the person falls they can be retrieved using the same block that stopped them falling using the handle at the side. We were also using a new piece of kit this year in case you were left hanging it was an adjustable strap which connected to the lower part of the harness above the left and right hand side hips and in the event of you being left hanging there you could pull these straps out and use them to stand on taking the weight off the groin area.
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#7 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver Have you thought about the use of fall restraint lanyards, rather than fall arrest?
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#8 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tim Corbett Has anyone done this for a scissor lift would like to see what has been considered.
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#9 Posted : 20 December 2006 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By William I found a website that does the "Suspension Trauma Relief Straps". http://www.greenham.com/...ion-Trauma-Relief-Straps
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#10 Posted : 20 December 2006 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Binstead i've worked with a company called XI training based near Lancaster - been on good courses and always happy to provide answers to my stupid questions!
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#11 Posted : 20 December 2006 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Beveridge Hi Makka, The advice above all seems focussed on fall arrest and rescue; can you not use work positioning and fall prevention systems, rather than accepting that you may have fallers and have to rescue them? If that is not an option, there are a number of avenues open to you depending on where a faller may end up. We use a winch system on some of our work, and have rope access trained staff for some of the other activities. If you need contact details of someone to give advice, please email me and I will pass on the details of who we use. Regards Andy
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#12 Posted : 20 December 2006 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka Thanks for all the suggestions and advice much appreciated, the image of certain people on site here absailing made me chuckle! We have been supplied with new fall arrest equipment this year so replacement is unlikely in the near future. The kit we have is a webbing type fall arrester which will stop falling in 0.8m (in ideal conditions). I am looking at the odd incident where a fall may well happen to one of our people, whilst gully clearing, window fixing, or light bulb changing, and I am also thinking about the number of contractors we are likely to have in the near future who will all be working at height. I know they should have this all covered off, but I would like our people, and first aiders to know what to do and how to do it in the event of a fall, and have the appropriate equipment available. Does anyone have a plan written up that could help me formulate ours?
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#13 Posted : 20 December 2006 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul C Elliott Hi Makka The HSE ran a campaign on " Height Aware " earlier this year. One of my first points of call would be there to get an info pack. We also use Gotcha, but we make it very clear( picking up on previous points ) that this kit should be your very last point of recourse. We tell our people we should be thinking about other measures to prevent WAH / a fall before we consider how to rescue someone once they have had a fall. If you send me your email address, I may be able to help further.
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#14 Posted : 20 December 2006 17:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Hinckley We have used the Rescue Genie which is a bespoke device for Remote Rescue from Height, if anyone would like further information please email me. richard@totalaccess.co.uk
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#15 Posted : 20 December 2006 17:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By IC Rogers MIOSH Cert Ed Makka, being a qualified fall protection assessor and IOSH WAH Awareness Trainer, may I suggest you call me to discuss this matter. With a little more information I may be able to assist you in the production of a rescue plan. Roy Rogers MIOSH Cert Ed 07795 601554
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#16 Posted : 20 December 2006 23:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil The Fire & Rescue service will NOT be able to help you in time, so dont rely upon them. The first appliance on scene will have a height safety pack, and nothing more. Some brigades have specialist line rescue teams, but they are often not dedicated teams, and often between 30mins - 1 hour away. As suspension trauma has killed in as little as 6 minutes, this is not acceptable. And what if they are out at an RTC or other rescue job when you call them? Dialling 999 or 112 is not an acceptable or robust control measure Thankfully the HSE now reiterate what we have been training for years, ie "do not rely upon emergency services, if you have special circumstances, YOU need to make special arrangements. Many Brigades havelittle or no knowledge of suspension trauma ( I know, because i train over 20 of the Brigades troughout the country in trauma, and supension trauma) Assess the risk, and put in place control measures.
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#17 Posted : 21 December 2006 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil If it is equipment or training you are looking for to become self sufficient in rescue from height, a company called Total Access have awesome facilities. We use their rescue packs on all of our construction sites where harnesses are in use. Mike Clayton is the guy you need to speak to.
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#18 Posted : 21 December 2006 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil The "suspension trauma straps" that Greenhams et al sell are only usefull if the casualty is conscious, and trained and practiced in their use. A cost effective solution is to make a footloop by tying a figure of 9 knot into a short length of 10mm polyprop rope. Add a £5 karabiner, and it does the same job for a quarter of the price!!
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#19 Posted : 21 December 2006 17:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope Roy Rogers please email me - I might be able to find some work for you for a colleague
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#20 Posted : 21 December 2006 17:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope Roy Rogers - my email is clp@taunton83.freeserve.co.uk
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#21 Posted : 22 December 2006 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka Thanks again all, I will be in contact after New Year when I have time to sit and go through it all.
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