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Posted By J Knight
Hi Folks,
We have a premises in a major city which is also very close to a young offenders hostel; two good reasons why we keep getting intruders. We've put gates on the entrance, raised the wall height at some points, installed CCTV and so on, but there are a couple of points on the perimeter where people occasionally climb the walls and peer in through windows; this is a nursing care premises and obviously a great deal of distress is caused both to patients and staff. How can we treat the walls to make it much harder for people to climb them? There are 'anti-climb' paints, but would these work on rough hewn Victorian sandstone blocks? Is there cladding we can apply? Any suggestions (short of razor wire or HT fencing ;)) gladly appreciated, oh, and we can't use 'offensive shrubbery' in this case because the bottom of the wall is on a public pavement and there is no room at the top to place plants,
John
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Posted By David-J-Jones
Suggest you contact the local planning officer or building control officer at the LA for advice.
There may be restrictions on height, coatings etc. Unfortunatly there always seems to be a way through, the only thing that you can do is make it as difficult as possible
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Posted By garyh
Ask a local security company (the sort of people who install alarms etc). They will probably offer advice (and a quote!) for free.
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
You should not usually apply anti-climb coatings at a height where passers-by can reach up and touch them.
Could you fix coping stones to the tops of the walls so they overhang the footpath and so prevent anyone getting to the top?
This would depend on how high the walls are.
Alan
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Alan,
That's a good point; we should be able to keep the paints out of reach of passers by, as the walls are at least three metres high at the point where people seem to want to climb them. I'm not sure about the coping stones; that may be a good idea, since although the building is listed we do have sympathetic buidling control and heritage people in that particular area,
John
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Posted By Jim Walker
In the old days the solution was called a policeman.
Alas, they no longer work.
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Posted By Sean Fraser
Have you consulted the young offender institution to discuss who these people may be, what the terms of their sentence are and determined if they are breaching an order and if so, why the institution isn't doing something about it?
Perhaps if the offenders were aware that their activities were being reported back AND there were consequences involved, then it would become a less attractive place to "visit".
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Sean,
Yes, we have spoken to them; the young people aren't under any sort of custody, more in care as they have by and large served their time, it follows then that they can't be prevented from leaving. We also don't know for certain that any particular problem is related to the hostel; the premises is part of a big city in a student area with a lot of HIMO accommodation and has a fairly high level of casual crime in any event; in other words, the hostel is definitely part of the problem, but by no means the whole of it,
John
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Posted By Christopher
Police Local Crime Prevention Officer - they are absolutely brilliant.
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