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Posted By MICHAEL T
We have a CDM project that will overrun for a couple of weeks on the advised dates stated on the F10.
My understanding of it is that an extension of the F10 does not have to be sent in unless the extension is significant.
Is this true and if so any ideas of what a reasonable perid of grace would be.
Michael
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Posted By GSP
I would say anything between 3 weeks to 1month+ is a significant overrun, therefore requiring an additional F10
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie
Can someone point out to me where in the regulations or ACOP a project that already has been notified has to send a re-notification if there is an overrun.
I can see the guidance where a non notifiable project overruns to then notify but not for an already notified project.
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Posted By Mart
No need to send re notification. Dates are only educated estimates anyway.
Martin Keeler MaPS
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Posted By zenga
Martyn you've beaten me to the same question.
It seems to be a recent trend (particularly from Principal Contractors) which is gathering pace at the moment to request the Planning Supervisor to re-notify when a contract overruns.
If this were to become accepted common practice the HSE will very quickly be swamped with F10's.
The F10 Notification gives estimated programme dates/times at the points of notification only.
I would be grateful if anyone could identify where specifically, either in the CDM Regulations themselves or the ACoP, it is a requirement to notify the HSE of contract overrun.
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Posted By holyterror72
Your right, time over run isnt mentioned as a stand alone reason for an F10 extension, but the ACOP does state it is 'helpful' to notify the HSE of significant changes. A time overun may be considered as such I would suggest depending on the length of the over run compared to the original project program. For instance if a 5 week project becomes 5 months its significant. I think your Client would tell you that!
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Posted By Salus
tick the "additional info" box and enter new dates then send off,why are people worried about the HSE becoming inundated with extra F10's
They instigated the whole thing
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie
My question was coming from the viewpoint that a number of site managers on recent SMSTS courses I have run have indicated that the HSE are asking for re-submission if the project over ran.
The original question reinforced this and prompted my question. I can't see any legal requirement to re-notify.
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Posted By holyterror72
If the HSE are really asking for it then shouldnt we give it them (so to speak)?
Its hardly a hardship to do it. I can always get in contact with the HSE tomorrow and let you know what they say.
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Posted By Pugwash
If your local office wants an F10 update if the job overruns, send it in for the sake of good relations but there is no legal requirement for it so they cannot insist.
The legal requirement is to notify only
- Date planned for start of the construction phase;
- Planned duration of the construction phase.
Remember too that you do not even have to use the F10 form if you don't want to. Providing you send in the required information per Schedule 1 of the regulations, it could even be written on the side of a cow which you tie up outside the HSE office - if you really want to wind up the Principal Inspector.
For those younger readers who might be wondering what the cow is all about, I am going back to 1967 and the BBC sitcom "Misleading Cases" which in was based on the books of A.P. Herbert written in the 1920s and 1930s.
One of his chapters reports the actions (heard together) Board of Inland Revenue v. Haddock and Rex v. Haddock, where Mr Haddock attempts to pay his tax bill by writing a cheque on the side of a cow, and causes a public disturbance when he delivers the cheque. Various arguments are given as to whether the animal constitutes a negotiable instrument, the presiding judge ruling that it certainly does and that the Collector of Taxes erred in not accepting it.
All just fiction of course, but an F10 notification on the side of cow would be rather wonderful...and TV today is nothing like it used it to be.
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