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#1 Posted : 10 January 2007 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alistair Kelman Any series of Big Brother that takes place after 1 July 2007 will be taking place after the ban on smoking comes into place in England. Will it be lawful for contestants to smoke in the Big Brother house? AK
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#2 Posted : 11 January 2007 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSP No, Strictly speaking not even in the garden, i can see them selecting non smoker only...but then that would be discrimination
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#3 Posted : 11 January 2007 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy Would it be classed as a "workplace"? The surrounding rooms occupied by the film crew etc would be a workplace.......but the house?? I know they are getting paid to be there but its not exactly work is it? Holmezy
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#4 Posted : 11 January 2007 10:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSP whether it is a 'Workplace' is irrelevant when the smoking regs are concerned.
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#5 Posted : 11 January 2007 10:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy Ok.....its a "public" place.....but are the celebrities considered to be members of the public? Also, consider the need for soap operas to consider the reality issues... For example, do you think that there will be a group of smokers standing outside the Rovers Return in a similar situation to pubs in Ireland and Scotland presently. Is outside the pub a public place? in real life it would be, but on a film set? Not that I watch the soaps you understand..... Not trying to be argumentative, just something to think about!!
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#6 Posted : 11 January 2007 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSP The regs are quite clear on what is an enclosed space...the situation makes no difference
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#7 Posted : 11 January 2007 11:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy I'm not disputing the definitions of enclosed or substantially enclosed spaces..... Just wondered how tv programmes are going to get round it. Sorry to use Corro as an example again, however...here goes.. if the Battersby's smoke in their house (depicted as a private dwelling) which is in a studio (enclosed space and workplace)does the quest for realism win over the requirements of the law. or are we going to see all TV characters that smoke suddenly becoming non smokers? Holmezy..( a non smoking, non corro fan who has the pleasure of a smoking, corro fan for a wife)
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#8 Posted : 11 January 2007 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By CW Would the producers be able to get around it with fake cigs? http://www.straightdope....lbag/mcigsforactors.html
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#9 Posted : 11 January 2007 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSP Well it will be illegal. what they do about it is upto to them. I should imagine millions will see the illegal footage which they have documented themselves, whether they would get prosecuted or not is a different story.
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#10 Posted : 11 January 2007 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen The Regs in Scotland have banned all smoking including in plays and on film and TV sets. In case you haven’t noticed Rebus now has to smoke outside his favourite Edinburgh bar.
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#11 Posted : 11 January 2007 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Last year (up beyond the wall), Mel Smith was playing Churchill (big fat cigar). I believe there was a clash with LA EHO but am unaware of the outcome. I think he (Smith)or the theatre owner backed down in the end
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#12 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen Yes he simulated smoking a cigar (simulation being what all acting is). BTW on my last posting I should have said "studios" not "sets". If a set is in the open air it is not an enclosed public space.
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#13 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy John, yes, I've noticed lots of programs were folks smoke outside bars, but there's still plenty of programs that show charachters smoking in their homes, which in "real" life is Ok but in a studio......maybe not? Perhaps we can expect to see LA or police raids on studios onlive tele? Holmezy
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#14 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy John....again, a set is exactly what the big brother garden is....open air and not an enclosed space, albeit surrounded by "studio" walls. Can of worms if you ask me?!!
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#15 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka I have had this conversation with a friend of mine who is a cameraman up in Scotland. How they are getting round it on indoor scenes is using more cut away shots. It is very rare that a person is seen on their own smoking, so they record the cigarette going to the mouth, the lighter going up, and then they cut away to the other person in the room. Presently they cut back to the first person and so on, when the character has supposedly finished the cigarette they cut to them moving their hand away from the ashtray having just stubbed it out, a small smoke pellet simulates the smoke that occurs in the stubbing out process. so far no-one has noticed the difference. If they need to shoot someone with a lighted cigarette but not drawing on it), they use a dummy one with a smoke pellet. Although in the age of computer generated imaging you could probably overlay a burning cigarette, in place of a blue or green screen one!
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#16 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus surely all legislation is black and white and is thoroughly thought through before becoming law. Otherwise you get confusion
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#17 Posted : 11 January 2007 13:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSP By definition the BB garden is a courtyard and is more than 50% inclosed, so they wont be aloud to smoke in it either
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#18 Posted : 11 January 2007 13:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By William Yes they will be able to smoke as it will classed as somewhere they live, the reason why i think this is because i work offshore (off northern scotland) and in the accomodation we have smoking areas, also in scotland you can still get smoking hotel rooms. But this is assuming the legislation which comes into force is the same which is already in place up here.
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#19 Posted : 11 January 2007 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy GSP, I assume that you assume that the total surface area of the walls is more than the open area above, or do you know something we don't? Holmezy
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#20 Posted : 11 January 2007 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSP being that the walls were 15ft+ last year and the garden was extremely small as with celeb BB this year its more than clear to see
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#21 Posted : 11 January 2007 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy "premises used as a broadcasting studio or film studio or for the recording of a performance with a view to its use in a programme service or in a film intended for public exhibition;" One of the definitions of a non smoking area from the regs,,, so I have no need to wonder anymore. GSP is technically right, as I suspect he knew all along!!
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#22 Posted : 12 January 2007 13:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Just a couple of things; the garden wouldn't be an 'enclosed space' as it has no roof; while the regs do specifically ban smoking in TV studios etc they allow for designated smoking areas in 'residential premises'; maybe the BB House could be so described? John PS Not that I care 'cos I think BB is a complete waste of space, enclosed or otherwise
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#23 Posted : 12 January 2007 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Phillips The Health Act 2006 Part 1, Ch 1 Para 3 (5) make provision for those participating as performers in a performance to be exempted from the act if "the artistic integrity of the performance make it appropriate for them to smoke". I would not think this would cover the Big Brother house but would cover actors in Corrie, etc. Glyn
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