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Posted By P. Moore
Can anyone confirm that there is no blanket requirement for demolition work to be notifiedto HSE under CDM (i.e. that it only needs to be notified if it exceeds the thresholds of either 30 days or 500 person days work)?
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Asbestos being present would require approved contractor and in turn require application by said contractor.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Not Correct under existing CDM regs ALL demo work falls under CDM however in the new CDM the 30days / 500 man days would apply to demo work as well.
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Posted By Pugwash
I still reckon correct. Yes CDM applies to all demolition but the notification requirements apply only if more than 30 days/500 person days
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
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Absolutely. CDM applies for all demolition. Notification only when required. No harm in notifying though.
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
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I think you're getting your F10's and ASB5 mixed up.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
AT present ALL Demolition work is notifiable under CDM
See HSE Leaflet MISC193 and and CIS 39 it is quite specic.
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Thanks Peter
The point I suppose I was trying to make was that regardless of F10 if notifiable Asbestos was present then seperate application should be made for said licensed removal. Sometimes you just can't seem to type what you know in your own mind; put it down to a well used half century of life and bits are wearing out.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Just a reminder that under the CAR 06 and the new CDM which will repeat this, That a Type 3 survey in accordance with MDHS 100 must be undertaken prior to any demo or refurbishment works as part of the pre tender H&S Plan and in the new info pack This will ensure that;
A. Contractors can include costings for Asbestos works as part of the tender package so that the client does not get an unexpected bill and the work on site does not grind to a halt if asi is found incurring more costs.
B. Contractors are not put at risk from exposure to asbestos as it will all be removed before hand.
In the new CDM ACoP (draft) it says that Client / PS saying 'Asbestos may be in the building' IS NOT ACCEPTABLE
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Posted By Pugwash
I cannot see in either MISC193 or CIS 39 a statement that all demolition work is notifiable.
Happy to be proved wrong though. Can you point it out to me.
(CDM applies to all demolition work - agreed. But this does not mean that all demolition work is notifiable. It is possible to have non-notifiable CDM work.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Ok you are distinguising between wheter CDM applies and if it is required to be notified?
dont have may CDM ACoP to hand but will look it up!
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Posted By Mick Yeomans
Just checked the flowchart in the ACOP. CDM applies to all demolition and dismantling works, notification only required if regulation 7, threshold exceeded, 30 days or 500 person days.
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Posted By Mart
Correct Mick.
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Posted By P. Moore
Thank you for this clarification.
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Posted By Granville Jenkins
You need to be aware that CDM Regulations apply to all demolition work.
Regards
Granville
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Just to enlarge Dave W's response a little.
The Pre-tender H&S plan only exists until April, under the new regs it is the information pack. However you must remember that the information pack is located in the section of the regulations applicable to ALL construction work - Notifiable or non-notifiable. Clear information concerning the presence of asbestos holds the client to a clear duty to provide information whenever the work may interfere with known asbestos or where intrusive work is planned on the structure when asbestos cannot be excluded. The acop for CAR 2006 provides useful information concerning the scope of the operations that would be regarded as falling within the requirements of minor non-notifiable works which could have asbestos implications.
In the context of the new regulations there are no specific requirements for demolition other than the normal 20days/500 operative days definition. The HSE recognised that the notification requirements were far too complex.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Sorry
Typo I meant 30 days
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