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Posted By John Cook
We are looking to introduce training in realtion to painting and decorating to a standard which would allow individuals to carry out DIY work to an acceptable level.
Part of this would include the use of stepladders, never having had to use ladders/ stepladders before I am looking for guidance as to what would constitute a competent person for the purpose of inspection of the equipment.
I know that in an industrial setting we would probably be looking at podium steps or other access devices but we are tryimg to be realistic in our approach as to what people would use in their own homes. This may obviously entail our instructors using the step ladders to demonstrate technique etc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted By Makka
Take a look through the threads on here a similar question came up a short while ago,
However if you contact the British Ladder Manufacturers Assoc
website www.ladders-blma.co.uk for contact details they can put you in touch with someone who will come out and train your people. It is an enlightening one day course, and can long term save the company money as there is so much on a ladder that can be repaired rather than always buying new.
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Posted By John Cook
Thanks Makka, have looked back a bit but have to admit didn't do a search. Will give the BLA a try, but getting blood out of a stone is easier than trying to get money out of my organisation at times.
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Posted By Salus
John, why have you been given this responsibility when you have never used a ladder,steps before
Not a dig at you, just really asking the question which your employers should be asking themselves.
the Eu standard for ladders is 131.
get all your info on and form a checklist from the HSE guidance INDG 402 + other sources, they all say basically the same thing.
From this set up a short in house training session for those that require it, do not get outside help it will cost a fortune and will be the same advice.
You basically need to ensure that the stiles / rungs are OK (no cracks or major damage are not loose), the feet are still there, and they are not painted.
for this scenario DIY.
HTH
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Posted By John Cook
I am actually looking for the person who will be carrying out the training to carry out this task. He is a trained, qualified and competent painter and decorator (Advanced C & G), however as always when you ask people to carry out tasks they always seem to balk and show reluctance to do anything.
The comment this time is where would I stand if something happened and how do I know that I am competent.
I have downloaded and examined the various leaflets from the HSE website and I am now simply trying to organise as much information as I can to reassure the individual that I am not asking him to do anything which he is not capable of doing.
Thanks to those who took time to respond.
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Posted By Salus
Mornin John, if something happens, your defence must be that you put in place every thing that a reasonable person or company could have done taking into consideration the time,trouble,cost and physical difficulty of taking such measures to avoid the risk.If these are so disproportionate to the risk that it would be unreasonable for the person/company to incur them to prevent it , they are not obliged to do so
Inductions for new employees / training / inspections / checks / records of inspections & checks / risk assessments / WAh hierarchy controls, would all be part of a defence.
HTH
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Posted By John Cook
Thanks salus.
This hand holding of others can become a little annoying at times but don't want them complaining of a lack of support and putting them under undue stress.
Main problem is a poorly informed local branch committee member who may not always provide staff with the best possible advice.
Our H&S coordinator is of no use whatsoever, professional course/ awrd/ title collector who doesn' like to actually do anything.
Weekly rant no over.
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Posted By David Tilsley-Curtis
John
The answer to your main question is relatively simple, to be considered as a competent person should should be able to demonstrate three elements:
1. Theoretical Knowledge
2. Practical knowledge
3. The ability to assess risk
If an individual can demonstrate these three elements they can consider themselves as competent in that activity.
I am unfortunately, for my sins, a ladder and step ladder course instructor and would be happy to forward you some details if it would help you at all.
Regards
David
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Posted By John Cook
David
have responded by e-mail.
John
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Posted By John Cook
David
mail returned undelivered. Basically said that any info at all would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
John
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Posted By Makka
The point of going down the BLMA route is you get certified as being competent to under take ladder inspections.
I used to do them with my ex-employer before I was trained, my current employer insisted on the training, and I was amazed at how little I knew.
For example I now know how you can tell if a rung has been incorrectly manufactured, or incorrectly installed into the stiles, if it has been subject to end stresses or overloading and is likely to crack or split in the near future. Twists and kinks in the stiles are also a thing to look for especially in metal ladders as it can exert stresses of the rungs and indicate previous miss use of one.
I would highly recommend the formal training route as it also adds to you demonstrable skills.
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Posted By Colin P
I have noticed several responses on the IOSH Forum to the "Competent persons for Ladder Inspections" question and wondered if anyone can direct me to typical examples for Ladder & Stepladder Inspection Forms/Logs that are recognised as meeting HSE standards. I anticipate that these may be many and varied, but an example or two would be most appreciated.
Colin
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