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Posted By Dave Wilson
Do most of you use a PASMA trainer or would you do your own in house / on site.
Any benefits for using PASMA trainer?
(don't need any info on working at height or HSE Leaflets more of an opinion / discussion)
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Posted By The toecap
If you use your own then you need to be sure that what you're teaching is correct. For the costs involved i would sooner use an outside trainer especially where works at height are comncerned. But it depends how competent the idividuals are to teach and what knowledge they have. Just personal thoughts
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Posted By Adrian Clifton
We always use a PASMA trainer.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Ok but £140 per person X 150 = Lots
Or get qualified to PASMA about £2k
Or do in house = NIL
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Posted By I McDonald
But Dave,
tower collapses = courts
courts = who trained the trainer and to what standard?
Who trained the trainer.... = fines, publicity, etc
Fines publicity, etc = lots X lots
Ian
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Just looking for thoughts and ideas.
Anyone who does it in house?
Understand the competency angle If you think you are then why use them?
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Posted By Clive Lowery
Dave,
We are a Ceiling Installation & Dry Lining Co and use labour only sub-contractors.
We use our own towers, podiums etc.
We did look at in-house training and would consider going that way, however most of the main contractors (MCG) insist on PASMA, no other will do, which rather put a block on it.
Bit like CSCS!!
Interested to hear which way you decide to go
Regards
Clive
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Posted By Ken Taylor
PASMA
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Been in this game for quite a few years now and once you have trained your management etc in H&S and responsibilities you move onto a new level, such that before my 'main man' would take my word that we need to do this.
Now its 'is this legally required?' if you can do it why use them? Got a fair point as its not about do we need the training, that's a given!, its why use them.
And as you know me we don't discuss CSCS oh go on then.
Had two blokes (very experienced time served laggers) not allowed access yesterday as they forgot their CSCS card but did have SPA and CCNSG cards with them but that's not good enough! (KIER) understand that they are doing things in line with the policy for this from their company but give me strength in general site managers have no idea of what passport schemes are out there.
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Posted By David Tilsley-Curtis
Dave
One of the questions you need to ask is, where are the towers to be used?
If they are only used by your staff on your sites then you can get on staff trained with in-house certification only. The PASMA certification is really useful when working on other companies sites to demonstrate an industry wide appreciation of tower erection.
An in-house course, without the additional registration fees for PASMA can be supplied for around the £750 mark per course. Each course will easily accommodate eight people and could coupe with up to ten if they already have experience.
If you require some details I would be most happy to forward them on to you.
Regards
David
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Posted By I McDonald
Does the last breach the AUG's?
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Its just the small lightweight ones we use and everything else is built for us.
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Posted By I McDonald
David W,
not sure if they still do, but National Plant did tower training at one point (as a training body they tend to send training info for comment to HSE - or they used too). Cost was less than PASMA but was generally well recognised and received by a lot of Construction companies. Wont help if you are working on MCG sites though. Would still advise PASMA. If you need contacts for National Plant, drop me your number by e-mail and I will look out their details.
David T-C,
might be an idea if you made yourself familiar with the AUG's!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian
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Posted By P.R
Dave
Speaking personally, PASMA every time. Train in house, person falls and suffers injury...whole can of worms. (Who trained, how, what level competence etc, etc).
PASMA trained shows a defined level by accredited, auditable persons.
As I say...just an opinion.
Peter
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Posted By Granville Jenkins
150 persons you say, select 20% = 30persons x £140/person = £4,200 then ensure that a trained person supervises all jobs involving the assembly and dismantling of tower scaffolds. It is not absolutely necessary that all persons who use tower scaffolds are PASMA trained - in an ideal world yes, but we don't live in an ideal world.
Sounds a fair price for peace of mind, or you could initially select 10% 15 persons which would cost £2,100. You can always add people as and when needs arise, for example when you find you are short of trained personnel or a trained employee leaves the company.
Regards
Granville
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