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Posted By Rocky
Please advise as to the following.
I am the 'H&S competent' person for a Financial Organisation with 30 offices around the UK.Each office has a locally appointed person given H&S responsibilities.They will carry out and review RA's, manage contractors, implement procedures etc.This is to help the Office Manager discharge his/her own H&S duties.
I believe the suitable level of recognised training/certification for the H&S appointed person would be a NEBOSH General, something that an area EHO supported, but the volume of objections to taking someone from the office for the course duration is deafening.
I have tried to explain that unless the locally appointed person is suitably trained then someone else from the office would have to be and the buck stops with the Office Manager.They think because I am onboard the Firm's H&S obligations are fulfilledand I can do all.
What do you think? Is there anyone out there from the financial sector with or having overcome the same issues. Be good to talk!
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Posted By Chris Packham
Have you tried quoting section 37(1) of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act to the manager?
I have found that this can concentrate the mind!
Chris
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Rocky
If you have to start quoting legislation you will be seen in an even poorer light by everyone.
Why do they all have to do the NEBOSH certificate? Could you not develop and deliver something more pertinent to their responsibilities in house. Think about the cost and time to the business of sending all these people on the certificate course.
It sounds like you are in a reasonable low risk industry where, in my experience, people will be very commercially focused and probably not see H&S as important. Get like them: look at how you can help commercially and ensure that they comply and can use H&S effectively in the business.
Could you try and link H&S in with some of the other business requirements (FSA etc.).
How does the H&S development of people currently integrate with the other business training? Can you merge this into current management training rather than separating H&S from the rest of the job function?
All the best
Ian
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
My Office Managers all have done the IOSH Managing Safely course, however over the years they have supplemented this with specific office risk assessment/dse assessor courses/ fire risk assessment etc. I used the IOSH managing safely as a basic requirement and have built their competency levels whilst doing their jobs. I try and get them some relevant formal training every 3 years as well as other informal work we do through the H & S Committee etc. They use me as a source of advice and I often research information or help them with more complicated risk assessments involving contractors etc. All office inspection reports and copies of fire risk assessments, accident and incident reports come to me but after 7 years they are very good and all take H & S seriously despite having huge areas of responsibility.
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Posted By Pete Stewart
I Have to agree with Cathy on this.
Start with IOSH Working/Managing Safely courses, then develop in-house add-ons specific to your needs.
Pete
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
Company I work for used to have 42 branches/offices in the finance sector. I used to visit each branch twice a year. I would sit down with Branch Manager on each visit go through all risk, fire risk, dse assessments. When Regional Managers had there meetings I would sometimes attend. I would then do a training session on risk assessments etc, explain to them what they were responsible for as Branch Managers, what to do if an EHO turned up, what documentation to show them, show them how to do inductions and what documentation to fill in. We found this was enough and I was always on the other end of a phone or email. If an EHO had any queries I would always contact them later to discuss.
Getting Branch Managers to do NEBOSH Cert is a bit over the top.
Steve
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