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#1 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes I have had a search and my query hasnt come up or not that I could find. I understood that a second part of the Health Act was being released in the new year with elements regarding smoking in vehicles Does anyone know when or where I can get a copy or when it is being released? Many thanks
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#2 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth There is a condoc entitled "Smoke Free Premises and Vehicles" a copy of which should be on its way to you
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#3 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus Hi Lewes what is it that you need to know?
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#4 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes It was just mainly confirmation on the requirements as I dont always like to act on government 'proposed' documents. One of the things is that we rent out approx 900 tractor units and I was wanting to know if we were required to display 'No Smoking' signs in them or not. Im going to have a look at the doc Peter sent me.
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#5 Posted : 17 January 2007 16:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Makka I believe it will be a requirement of the "No Smoking" legislation that work vehicles are to be considered an enclosed work space and therefore need to be regulated in much the same way as buildings. All of our fleet vehicles have now been made no smoking and have signs to that effect in perparation for the forthcoming legislation. I know several other employers such as BT and Carillion PLC are doing likewise.
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#6 Posted : 17 January 2007 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus you are required to dipslay signage pictogram will do, in each compartment of a vehicle. These stupid regs then go on to explain about what is a "compartment" in a vehicle and what is a "roof" make them up yourself with a cloloured printer, must be 70mm in dia.
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#7 Posted : 18 January 2007 11:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi. law up here in scotland is clear. no smoking in work vehicles and signage must be in place. i assume regs in england will be the same as it would be daft not to be. That said I often see drivers in work vehicles smoking..very difficult to police. and to be honest it doesn't seem as if the enforcing authority, LA environmental health, are to interested with the exception of passenger carrying vehicles: buses etc. as one company and a driver have been fined after a passenger complained about the driver smoking (pity they don't do the same for mobile tel use). Re your own vehicle at work - no restrictions but you can't insist that an other worker goes into the vehicle e.g. for joint site visits if they object re driver smoking. Hope this helps.
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#8 Posted : 22 January 2007 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Folks, As I recall smoking is permitted if the vehicle will have only one occupant or user; so for example I could smoke in my company car if I wanted (but I don't), but if you rent tractor units out they will have more than one user and need to be designated as smoke-free, John
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#9 Posted : 22 January 2007 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Thanks for that. Having read a lot of the Smokefree stuff in the past few days. I read it that we were not operating the tractor unit but just providing it as a service to others. To my mind it makes good business sense to put them in the hire vehicles as they may be used by us when collecting or delivering them and when customers ask "do the vehicles comply with the smoking ban" we can say Yes
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#10 Posted : 22 January 2007 14:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer The new laws for England & Wales will more or less what we have in scotland, and the following web site will give you plenty clarification. http://www.clearingtheairscotland.com/ Basically any vehicle that is classed as a work place (will cover lone & peripatic workers driving company vehicles like trucks, vans, artics, etc but not cars) We display No Smoking signage in all our vehicles, and conduct regular site audits to enforce the practice. On the other hand, the number of times I have seen drivers of company vehicles, ie Local Authority Crew Cab trucks, vans, construction vehicles, BT vans, British Gas vans etc where drivers are actually smoking when they should not be. In reality, how many are actually pulled up by local authority environmental enforcement teams?
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#11 Posted : 22 January 2007 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Currently it is merely a failure to comply with an employer's code or policy. Once the new Regulations are in force it will become a criminal offence to smoke in OR to allow smoking in designated smoke free areas. Alan
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#12 Posted : 22 January 2007 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Alan Disagree with your comments, It is a criminal offence in Scotland........! Where I am based! This has been law since 26th March 2006! Your comments are correct in relation to England & Wales only (until the law comes into effect)
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#13 Posted : 22 January 2007 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Sorry Alex - that is what I meant. So you don't think the Regs are being enforced sufficiently? Alan
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#14 Posted : 22 January 2007 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer I dont. We share a building with 2 other tenants, and the communal hallway has "smokers" puffing away during periods of inclement weather. Despite repeated calls to landlords & enforcement authorities. Nothing done. Interesting to note that we are also the only tenant displaying signage, policies etc at the entrance to our reception area. Sometimes I think whats the point????
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#15 Posted : 22 January 2007 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Wallace Hi One point I don't think has been highlighted. At present if vehicles based in England where at present no legislation exists) travel into Scotland there is a sign for application to the vehicle windows which defines the change in law presently between England and Scotland. I have an image stored somewhere. Simply it says as soon as you enter Scotland stop smoking. Or words to that effect.
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#16 Posted : 23 January 2007 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Renny Thomson In Scotland it is an offence to smoke in a company vehicle whether shared or not. On the Enforcement side, I know that the Enforcement Officers here in Fife have been issuing fixed penalty notices to companies when their vehicles have been with drivers/crew smoking (some have been issued to the LA).
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