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#1 Posted : 19 January 2007 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Workman
Here’s a good one. We have been tasked with carrying out a grey squirrel cull at one of our (MoD) sites. We've been setting traps, catching the little blighters and then despatching them. We've been doing this since the start of the New Year. To date we have caught about 10. This work is carried out by a professional. As the work is labour intensive and the traps have to be checked daily it will cost a fortune. We also appear to be meeting with some sort of activist activity as the traps are being tampered with.

The 'expert' has made a suggestion that we carry out an exercise of shooting them with an air rifle. He says a dawn shoot would get rid of them quicker.

It sounds good in principle, but when you stop and think about the health and safety implications of having a man running round with a rifle at 07:00 on an occupied site with close neighbours it looks more a case of a high risk exercise.

I favour the more humane method of shooting. Provided we inform people on site of the activity, use a professional contractor who provides safety documentation, which we then review to formulate our own risk assessments etc, is this the way forward?

What do memebers think?
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#2 Posted : 19 January 2007 11:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris121
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/as7.pdf

this may be of some help to you if you decide to go down the route of using guns.

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#3 Posted : 19 January 2007 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth
Kill them all. Death to the grey squirrel I say. A more insidious invasion than John Carpenter's "The Thing". Along with mink, coypu, crayfish and Japanese Hogweed
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#4 Posted : 19 January 2007 11:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
To me this seems a sensible way forward, make sure the guy truly knows what he is doing and is insured, there is an organisation called BASC which most responsible shooters belong to which I think provides insurance. I would make certain of your line of fire, backstop etc - if he is experienced he will know this already.

Apart from your RA, I would prepare a statement about what you are doing - I would compare it to culling rats - bunny huggers never complain about that.

Brace yourself for irrational resistance from inside and outside the organisation, that's why you need your prepared statement.
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#5 Posted : 19 January 2007 11:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Taff
Is the shooting to be done with a high powered air rifle or .22 ballistic rifle?

You also need to identify the area of fall of shot as most of the shots taken will be from below (I assume). Access to this area would need to be restricted during the operation.

Also consider the storage of ammunition (bullets), Noise nuisance and surrounding properties and footpaths.

IMO an air rifle would be the way to go.
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#6 Posted : 19 January 2007 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth
I'll do it for free. Just supply me with a baseball bat with a 6" nail in the end
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#7 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By philly boy
have you thought of using a falconer? i know you can use them to eradicate pigeons, I'm not sure about basil brush though (i know he's red and not grey)
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#8 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By philly boy
not jenny falconer
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#9 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By holyterror72
Basil Brush is a fox.
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#10 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By stuart cross
Basil Brush is a fox!!! I think you're thinking of Tuffty the road safety squirrel.

S
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#11 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw.
Hi, I had some problems at my house a few years back with grey squirells and got environmental services involved they told me they/I couldn't kill them. apparently because of the demise of the red squirrel there was a protection order that did not differentiate between the grey and red..might be worth checking..i agree they are little buggers.

Cheers
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#12 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
Basil Brush is a hand puppet!
(sorry to spoil the magic...)
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#13 Posted : 19 January 2007 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott
Like 'em or not - they need to be controlled in certain situations and you should do this humanely if culling is appropriate. See www.defra.gov.uk/rds/pub...ons/technical/TAN_09.pdf
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#14 Posted : 19 January 2007 15:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eastbourne
Hi Phil

I believe releasing grey squirrels is illegal as they were not indigenous to our country so would stop doing that before the RSPCA find out as I have heard of a gentleman getting prosecuted for doing that very thing.

Shooting is more effective.

An air rifle under 12ft/lbs (legal limit without going to FAC - Fire Arms Certificate) would do the job providing the job was carried out professionally and humanely.

I would be happy to do that for you seeing as I am a member of BASC (British Association For Shooting and Conservation.)!!

All the best

Mark
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#15 Posted : 19 January 2007 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eastbourne
I owuld not worry about the noise as a .22 with an effective silencer is whisper quiet.
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#16 Posted : 19 January 2007 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By William
What about snares? cheap, easy to set up, not much chance of hurting yourself or others with a snare (unless you are a total idiot) and deadly when placed in the correct areas, not exactly the most humane method, but those activists wont suffer too long, oops sorry i mean squirrels. On a serious note though i am not sure whether it is legal or not, but i grew up in the wilderness and it was common place for people to use this method to catch rabbits, don't cats also hate squirrels, maybe ask the local abandoned cats home if they are interested in some freelance work.
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#17 Posted : 21 January 2007 19:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
They are too fast for cats to catch. I don't understand the problem about using guns on an MoD site. It would also be interesting to hear why you need to cull them.

We don't allow grey squirrels here on the Isle of Wight. All ours are red. When a suspect grey is sited, the authorities use 'grey size' traps but I'm not aware of whether they find any or, if so, what they do with them. There is a record of one of the ferries from the mainland having to turn back to port when a grey was found on board. Water is clearly something of a deterrent - although they can swim. Perhaps you could install a moat around your sensitive site - but from our experience it may need to be rather wide!
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#18 Posted : 22 January 2007 10:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eastbourne
Hi Phil

I had to confirm what I was saying was the truth and it is.

It is an offence under section 14 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (as amended) to release or allow to escape into the wild grey squirrels, mink and coypu without a licence.

Hope you get your squirrel problem sorted!

Mark
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#19 Posted : 22 January 2007 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By DavidW
Mark

I think when Phil said "despatch them" I don't think he meant release them somewhere else. Although I guess it is a kind of "release" from this earthly domain!
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#20 Posted : 22 January 2007 18:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
Some years ago an acquaintance on the mainland had one of these in his loft and the pest control people failed to trap, poison or catch it. Eventually he resorted to shooting it - which worked.
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#21 Posted : 22 January 2007 18:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
If you intend to use traps, poison or shooters then you had better make sure there are no red squirrels in that area. It is an offence to trap ,poison or kill any red squirrels.
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#22 Posted : 22 January 2007 21:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Yuill
Hey Phil are you using the MDP, they could do with the practice!

Is this going to be a MOD policy document, look forward to the DIN.

Rob
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