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Posted By SeanThompson
Does anyone know of any courses which our workshop manager could go on so he will have the correct qualifications for conducting basic maintenance on our plant and machines? For things like changing a plug or fuse.
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Posted By Salus
Hi Sean, I thought this was Friday for a moment.
How is it that this person is a workshop manager when he does not even know how to carry out the very basics, like changing fuse / plug.
Do you need a chief executive, I am 12, never been to school,but know where the sky is if you ask me.
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Hi Sean
Does your Supervisor have any relevant Experience/Qualifications to start with?
For the machinery you could contact the manufacturers re- training, your local college,
they may be able to give you some guidance.
Don't forget all work must be carried out by a competent person
Unless he/she has 16th edition then NO electrical installation work is permitted.
But you already knew this.
Regards Alan N
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Hi Salus
Is that what they call sarcasm?
Alan N
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Posted By p winter
The best course I would recommend for electrical maintenance is one which lasts 4-5 years and is called an apprenticeship. Competence does not come cheap.
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Posted By SeanThompson
Moderators,
Can i please request for salus to be banned from this forum, he doesn't contribute anything that is valid or use? Would this be possible?
Just to say that the workshop manager isn't a trained electrician, he can do hose things identified but hasn't got some sort of qualification. Would you require qualifications to be deemed competent, i would say yes?
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Posted By p winter
Surely the point is Sean you cannot instill much competence from a short course.
Electricians make electrical maintenance look easy,but it ain't and little mistakes can have huge consequences.
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Is the workshop manager just a pen pusher/administrator who is now having to be hands on?
An administrator moving into hands on repairs will find difficulty in being seen as a "competent person" for repair work.
As others have stated, the road to expertise in any trade for repair work is through a structured learning process and needs to be a proven qualification route to prove competence and provide a level of trust in the completed work.
From your first post, if this person is not able (or proven qualified) to change a simple plug or similar type of repair, then that person should not be doing that type of repair.
Workshop manager is a given title - qualified electrician / fitter / welder all have to be earnt through study and examination.
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Posted By Peter Leese
Note that I have had to ask for a thread to be removed because it was ruined by Salus - I would also support his/her removal.
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
I am sorry but I have to agree with Salus. This is supposed to be a professional forum. Yesterday someone wanted to discuss where to have a football match and now this. I wish people would think before asking questions.
Someone once said it is better to keep you mouth shut and let people think you are a fool rather than open it and let them know.
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Posted By SeanThompson
He is a workshop manager not an electrician, so where does the line cross on him performing basic electrical tasks? Everyone does these sorts of tasks at home bu can these be done in the workplace?
Peter, I still haven't heard back from the moderators about salus.
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Posted By SeanThompson
Steve - How are those comments meant to be professional?
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Posted By anon1234
The responsibility for assessing whether the person is competent ot perform such tasks rests with the company - not sure that you would need to go on a course to prove competence in wiring a plug, but would probably need to go on a manufacturers course or similar for maintaining complex machinery
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Posted By Salus
I was not trying to be sarcastic or in anyway ridicule Sean's thread.
But merely bringing up the issue of competency incompetency
bit strong to actually ask for a person to be removed
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
I would have thought it was obvious. Some of the questions that get asked on this forum do make me cringe at times and this was one of them. I apologise if my response offended you but.
To answer you question about basic courses as someone has already stated its called an apprenticeship.
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Posted By SeanThompson
Steve,
I think you have taken this way too serious. chill out, you might enjoy it.
I'm not looking for an apprenticeship. So you think in order to carry out basic electrical tasks he would need to do an apprenticeship? hmmm OK.
I was looking for some sort of course just to back up what he already knows.
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Posted By Stupendous Man
I don't see anything wrong with the question - it is quite clear that Sean is not looking for a qualification for the maintenance manager to do full-scale electrical installations, but BASIC maintenance.
It could be that there is no need for such a course, that there is a need but no course existing, or that there is a course available.
Based on some of the comments here, if I was looking for a basic course for car maintenance, such as checking oil, changing tyres etc. I would be receiving advice that only a car mechanics apprenticeship will do!
This is silly and gives H&S people a bad name.
Remember, just becuase a question may make you 'cringe', it does not mean that the question is not valid.
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Posted By Peter Leese
1) Salus said: Do you need a chief executive, I am 12, never been to school,but know where the sky is if you ask me.
2) Salus said: I was not trying to be sarcastic or in anyway ridicule Sean's thread.
Salus (roman goddess), it seems to me you were, but perhaps you could explain what your point was?
The originator asked a perfectly reasonable question - and deserves a reasonable answer.
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Posted By SeanThompson
Total agree with the last 2 comments.
I am looking for a BASIC course.
The workshop manager can already do this and has been i would like to have this backed up by some sort of BASIC course.
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Posted By cara
Sean - did you look at the IEE course? Any good??
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Posted By Peter Leese
Hi Steve, recognise those words?
Most of the Engineers I worked with only had a large, medium and small hammer. oh and they used to carry adjustable spanners as well.
They went one day a week for 4 years. Which actually works out at about 120 days in college. The rest of the time was spent scratching their heads and sucking air in through their teeth.
Makes the original question even more relevant don't you think? ;-))))
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Posted By SeanThompson
Cara,
Iv checked out those courses and they might be applicable.
Thanks for your positive input
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Posted By cara
No probs, it annoys me too when people have nothing constructive to say apart from ridicule others!
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Posted By SeanThompson
Yea me too, as you can probably tell!
I always go with the understanding if you don't like a thread don't say anything. Its not compulsory to respond to a thread!!
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
Peter
Yes I remember all those words and have said them myself on many occassions.
Sean
Something constructive for you. Why not send him on a PAT testing course. Not only will it give your Workshop Manager a basic understanding of how electricity works, how to check if the right fuse is being used etc. It won't actually show him/her how to change a fuse but it will give them some electrical knowledge and he/she will be able to do all your PAT testing afterwards. And its not expensive either.
Steve
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Posted By Peter Leese
Steve - yes, in fact you wrote them. It explains your initial response to the question.
As an ex engineer I'm not able to agree with your comments about engineers, just as I'm sure you wouldn't be happy with generalised adverse comments about H&S professionals.
Nice to see though, that the question can be (eventually) answered constructively.
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Posted By holyterror72
I think you should all be removed from the forum and do some work!
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Posted By SeanThompson
Steve,
Its not that hard is it?
Salus,
Iv already looked on the page you have suggested but was looking to draw from other peoples experience if they have been in this position before?
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Posted By I McDonald
Sean
I think a lot of the "back biting" on the thread is down to the lack of clarity relating to the extent of maintenance that will be carried out. I realise you have highlighted changing plugs/fuses however; you have not limited maintenance to this. If only plugs and fuses, PAT testing training may be sufficient. If other activities (adjusting drive belts, replacing guards, etc), whilst the activities may not seem over complicated, a higher level of training is required.
It would help if more detail on the types of maintenance was posted.
Ian
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Posted By SeanThompson
What sort of "higher" level training would you suggest?
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Posted By steve grimes
Ive joined the debate late im not sure if it was because it has taken me so long to stop laughing at the original question or the sufference Salus has taken for being a sensible pragmatic safety proffessional.
My question would be to the original questioner
If you are a H&S practitioner and you cant even answer your own simple question without posting it, then you really should be working on the tills at Tesco
nuff said
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