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#1 Posted : 01 February 2007 11:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Palmer
Hi
I have been asked to take on the role of H&S coordination (inc competent person) for a Housing Association. We have 600 staff, across about 60 sites, including care work and gardening teams. I am looking for some benchmarking information and would welcome anyone who can give me the 3 simple pieces of info:
Type of Business:
Number of Staff:
Approx no of sites:
Number of H&S staff:
Any other information will be appreciated.
Regards
Andrew
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#2 Posted : 01 February 2007 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By David MacFarlane
Andrew,

A quick response to your benchmark enquiry -

Our Business - Building Services/Heating &
Ventilation Contractors

Staff - 260

H&S - 1 (Safety Manager)
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#3 Posted : 01 February 2007 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Ling
Hi Andrew,

I work for a housing association very similar to yourself. We also provide mainstream housing, some small residential care units and some hostels.

Approx 600 staff
Approx 50 sites
One busy health and safety adviser

Hope this helps

Jane
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#4 Posted : 01 February 2007 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes
Commercial Vehicle workshops, fabrication, and precision engineering

350 Staff

14 Depots

1.5 H&S staff as boss has good H&S knowledge
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#5 Posted : 01 February 2007 12:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stevie
Hi Andrew,
I work for a HA with mainly General Needs but with some Sheltered and Residential Care stuff, we have:

430 staff
about 30 sites

1 very busy H&S officer!

Steve
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#6 Posted : 01 February 2007 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amanda
Andrew

Housing Association
Complete inhouse Repairs Department inc Gas Servicing
5 sites
5500 properties
250 staff
1 H&S manager + admin support
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#7 Posted : 01 February 2007 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Parkinson
Type of Business : Healthcare

No of Staff : 5600 + 600 permanent contractors + 600 volunteers (non paid)

No of Sites: 3

No of H&S Staff : 1 + part time admin support
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#8 Posted : 01 February 2007 13:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

>15000 employees + >500 semi perm contractors + >500 on and off contractors [average of >1000 construction works at any one time irrespective of anything else] in >40 differing industrial / business /support areas working via all types of shifts + interface with the public =

3 full time advisers + 1 part time adviser & no admin support - Q? are they scratching the service?

your figures appear to towards the average -
the figures quoted above are not made up

IOSH /IIRSM have carried out surveys call on them
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#9 Posted : 01 February 2007 13:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Folks,

Business Healthcare and Charity retailing, 3,000 employees, about 450 sites of which about 420 are small to very small. Currently 1 HS&E Manager and 1 H&S Adviser. Hoping to grow to 3.5 f.t advisers; this is based on an analysis of training need in Healthcare and on the fact that I have to deliver on the Environment, which currently has barely started, and the fact that our workplaces are scattered over the whole of the UK mainland,

John
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#10 Posted : 01 February 2007 19:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kate Graham
Housing association
300+ staff
6 offices, 4 staffed hostels plus lots of sheltered schemes
Another very busy H&S adviser

I think a pattern is emerging

Kate
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#11 Posted : 01 February 2007 20:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48
Andrew
Simple ratios are not the best way to determine H&S resource requirements. What is more important in establishing what is needed is:
-the strategy for H&S in the organisation and how well this is integrated into board or exec level thinking
-where the organisation is in terms of both simple things like legal compliance, staff knowledge as well as the softer things like culture etc.
-the geographic spread as well as number of locations
-the width or variety of business activity.
-the infrastructure available (IT systems, intranets, video conferencing, home working et al)
I have worked as a lone H&S person "covering" hundreds of sites with thousands of employees and been bored because all I had to do was keep up to date with regs, do analysis, a bit of training and lead on auditing.
Equally I have worked with a team of one skilled and competent H&S person at each of 40 manufacturing locations, a central admin staff of 2 and never stopped for 3 years!
Define what the needs are and then staff from there.
(just realised that this may be patronising you, not intended! apologies if I have)
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#12 Posted : 01 February 2007 20:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP
Local Authority:

1. 4,700 staff
2. Various occupations from carpenters to senior management.
3. 1 x stressed out HS%E person
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#13 Posted : 02 February 2007 07:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Approx 1000 employees including management structure and office workers -

2 sites including three satellite production areas within two mile radius of busy dual carriageway road system at peak hours.

Customer Care unit with engineers /vehicles working nationally and internationally in some cases.

High level of under 25 years workers in a fast manufacturing bonus scheme.

Currently one H&S manager - own car in use, awaiting with eagerness for 5th March when a new assistant starts to lighten the workload, or delivery of a time machine to help be in two (or more ) places at once.

Used to be less production areas and four H&S persons in total until redundancy problems in 2005.

Happy days !
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#14 Posted : 02 February 2007 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Palmer
Hi
A big thank you to all who have taken time to comment. Every entry is of value.
Key message: H&S is under-resourced!
Best wishes
Andrew
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#15 Posted : 05 February 2007 20:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By kanta
We employ 100 staff on three sites.
Intotal, we have 9 Fire Wardens,who are also Risk Assessors.
We have five Manual Handling Assessors
and two full time First Aiders.
We also have a part time administrator who does our paperwork.

Hope this helps.
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