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Posted By Henry 90+3!! Hi All,
Would anyone have a risk assessment for managing the risks involved with someone who suffers from diabeties.
Many Thanks
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Posted By Dean Stevens Henry
No risk assessment to hand i'm afraid but the risk assessment should contain the following at least:
1. All supervisors/team leaders/team members to be notified of employees diabetes and signs to look for(hypo etc)
2. Supply mini refrigerators so that they can keep their insulin in there. (Ensure these are only used for this medication, lockable fridge reccomended in food production areas)
3. Allow them extra breaks for sugar top ups. (Half a mars bar, sugar water etc)
4. Never allow lone working - acceptable if thorough RA conducted with strict control measures in place.
5. Employee told to make supervisor / team leader aware if he starts to feel that his sugar levels are getting to low.
Of course there will be alot more detail within your RA, these are just the few things i can remember from our RA.
Good luck.
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Posted By Sovay Shaw Don't forget to ask the person how you can help them and what they want you to do to manage their condition at work. They are usually best placed to decide what their needs are and you can use the information they give you in your risk assessment. With their permission, you could also make your first aiders aware of their condition and talk through emergency action that may be necessary. There is loads of helpful information available to search for on the internet. Hope that helps.
Sovay
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Posted By Andy Brazier Dean I appreciate your concern for your diabetic colleagues, but feel your suggestions are a little misguided. Also, you could be in danger of discriminating, which is a definite no no under the new regulations.
Most diabetics can work perfectly safely without any additional controls. Most can control their diabetes well enough so that it will not affect their work. Many diabetics live alone without problem.
As said, much better to talk to the person and get advice from a health expert if necessary.
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Posted By JonCMIOSH It will also depend on the type of diabetes of course. Hypo... Hyper...
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Posted By Darren J Fraser It will also depend on the type of diabetes of course. Hypo... Hyper...
There are not types of diabetes, they are conditions
Hyper is too much sugar - not enough insulin
Hypo is too little sugar - too much insulin
There are 3 types of diabetes - insulin dependant (most difficult to control effectively), tablet controlled (not so bad to control) and diet (easiest to control).
A diabetic will now how to deal with their condition better than anyone else - TALK to them, they are not a risk.
The only person at risk is the person who is being discriminatory.
If you are willing to carry out an RA for a diabetic, you had best be prepared to carry out RA's for epilepsy, HIV, obesity and a hundred other medical conditions - good luck.
Rant over and apologies for any offence caused, as that is not intended, just think about your intentions before you rush into the decision, I must do an RA for that.
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith As an ex-occupational health nurse, I would have considered it unethical to undertake this type of risk assessment on behalf of the person concerned without their consent.
If you have concerns over their safety, then that is strictly a matter between an occupational physician/ nurse, the employee concerned and any information passed on would only be under the consent of the employee.
Jon,
When you describe the types of diabetes, do you mean type 1 diabetes mellitus, type 2 diabetes mellitus, gestational diabetes or diabetes insipidus?
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Posted By Bob Youel
describe the background - where they work, what work consists of, actual health condition etc - obviously no release of ID
I advise re many such people who are out with the public and miles from official and easy support i.e. where there is no factory / office facility to fall back on
you must get their full committment and support
we have even evaluated 'fall- over' / 'stillness' alarm kits [easy in a factory - v-hard in the outside environment
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Posted By JonCMIOSH Sorry, I wasn't aware I had described the types. There was a full stop in there.
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith Sorry, I also could not avoid the opportunity of trying to add some interest this thread.
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Posted By Geoff Parkinson Hmm.... I don't think there is any legal requirement for a person suffering from diabetes to declare it to their employer.
Secondly, is there a requirement to provide a separate fridge - or any fridge for them to keep insulin? New/expectant mothers with diabetes, yes - but not sure about the other folk.
Having said that, our first aiders are well trained on the signs/symptoms and we have chocolate/high sugar drinks in the first aid cupboards. After all, some people might have their first 'attack' (not the right word but its Friday) whislt at work. I*n effect, they wouldn't know they were diabetic until you did.
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Posted By Christopher Just out of interest, what has prompted you to do a risk assessment for the management of diabetes? It might help if we knew the context in which this assessment is being required.
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Posted By Andy Brazier Just to clear up more misconceptions.
Insulin does not normally need to be kept in a fridge, except spare supplies
Chocolate is a very poor treatment for a hypo.
You can't have an attack
If you don't know you have diabetes you will have high blood sugars. You definitely will not need anything to eat.
Symptoms of being diabetic and not knowing it are thirst and need to go to the toilet a lot. If untreated will lead to weight loss. If still left ketones can be formed that can sometimes be smelt on breath. These are not likely to be things picked up as part of first aid.
I hope that helps. I didn't know any of this until my son was developed the condition.
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Posted By Zaphod Sorry to pick up on one point in the last post. As a parent of a girl with diabetes, I can assure you that people with type diabetes can have an 'attack' - you might not call it that - you might call it a 'seizure' or 'fit'. It is very horrible and frightening when it happens and many other parents of diabetic children that I know have been through the same thing. It tends to happen more often in the night. It's the result of too much insulin (or too much exercise during the day - or not enough food)
Regarding types. There are 2 types - Type 1 and Type 2. Type 1 is full on. The pancreas stops producing insulin so you have to have injections or be on an insulin pump - combined with careful monitoring of blood sugars, carb intake and exercise to keep blood sugars within the desired range. Having said that, the NHS is very poor at educating patients to manage their diabetes. Most do not know how to carb count or adjust insulin accordingly - which is essential for good control.
The other type - the most common one is type 2 which is often (not always) triggered by poor lifestyle and can often be controlled in the early stages by improvements to diet and exercise, failing that, they move onto tablets and failing that, move onto insulin. The pancreas in People with type 2 still makes insulin but it the insulin doesn't work very well.
you are walking a type rope regarding the duty of care to protect and at the same time discrimination. I would first write to the GP to get an independent view on how well the diabetes is under control (not that GPs tend to know much about diabetes - I'm afraid) - or get an independent occ health assessment - before you do the risk assessment with the person with diabetes.
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Posted By Zaphod One more comment - a bit off topic - nothing to do with this thread but you've got me on my soap box now. Please note that diabetic children nearly always have type 1 - type 2 in children is extremely rare- therefore nothing to do with lifestyle!
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Posted By steve jones Henry, If you want to contact me direct, as i am a type 1 insulin diabetic i might be able to help you. Steve Steve.Jones40@btopenworld.com
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Posted By steve jones To all who have responded to this particular thread, The most serious condition of Diabetes is type 1 insulin dependant (i personally require 4 injections per day) and do keep an emergency kit at work. i make sure that all my colleague's are aware of my condition and what to recognize. i also trained the first aid team what to look for with diabetes. A mini fridge is not required for storing, but i do keep a stock of emergency sugar foods to hand. In my 26 years of being a diabetic, i have only have 4 hypo"s (low blood sugar.)
Hope this helps.
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Posted By Christopher ZAPHOD, unless you have the persons consent, and there is a very good reason for this information, to put it bluntly, it is none of the organisations business. Individuals are not required to divulge health conditions unless they choose to do so. The job should be risk assessed and any potential health conditions which may have an impact on the job be undertaken either to the organisation or the individual be identified. This should have been undertaken pre advertising of the post. If the individual has been diagnosed with the condition since employment, then they have to decide whether they advise their employer or not.
If they completed a health questionnaire, then the OH department should know if they have received the job description whether the condition is relevant or not.
There are human rights issues here. This is not as straight forward as just knowing the different types of diabetes and their management. Do you all know who has HIV or Hep B in your workforce? Why, could it be that the individual considered that it was none of the organisations business?
Sorry,its Friday.
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Posted By Geoff Parkinson My ex wife is diabetic - so got to see all the scary stuff. I have to say, regardless of what the technical terms are for a hypo or hyper glycemil episode, it is without doubt one of the most scary things you could come across as a first aider.
I know chocolate isn't best for sugar, but the few diabetics we have like the idea of a 'safety snack' if they are feeling low and haven't brought any supplies with them. Its self administered and is more of a 'feelgood' than cure. Anyone with a mega-hypo or hyper attack isn't going to be fixed by a first aider anyway. You'd be looking at a paramedic cutting in a line and squeezing fuids and dextrose in to stabilise. You can't give oral assistance to someone unconscious!
How do I know this? Happened to my wife twice while we were married - real scary stuff!
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