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#1 Posted : 05 February 2007 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By ROB ATKIN
We have a workshop at a comprehensive school that has lev for the specific machines used, however with 30 kids hand sanding soft woods and various other materials I am looking at attempting to monitor the air for the teachers and technicians who are in the environment all day long. 30 kids sanding for 35 mins multiplied by 8 ( worst case scenario ) is a lot of dust. Apart from the Lev which is suited to the machines we have no central extraction for the general atmosphere. I am seeking any advice on oel's appropriate to the environment and any personal monitors that people may be aware of that I can give to the staff concerned.
Sorry it's a a bit waffly!
Any advice what so ever will be greatly received

Rob
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#2 Posted : 05 February 2007 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Adrian Watson may be the MAN for this!
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#3 Posted : 05 February 2007 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Rob

Sampling and, more importantly, interpretation of the results, is best left to someone who knows what they are doing (but then I would say that as I am an occupational hygienist!)
Please e-mail me direct if you need help.

Paul
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#4 Posted : 05 February 2007 16:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham
Rob

Why not go up through the control of risk strategy - why have all the kids sanding in the first place!

30 kids sanding their little hearts out seems to be keeping them busy, rather than teaching design & technology!


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#5 Posted : 05 February 2007 18:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By ROB ATKIN
Steve you will get me into a whole different conversation about the state of education if you get me to respond to that one. Suffice to say some days are worse than others in the workshop.
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#6 Posted : 05 February 2007 21:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP
The same rules apply as for any workplace.

If you use the HSE website and search for woodwork it will return lots of free information leaflets about dust control and monitoring.

Wood dust also come under COSHH and the WEL limit would apply.

Others to consult are:

Local Education Authority for the school;
Board of Governors;
Your Health and Safety Advisor
HSE;

I do lots of work for these schools as a practising Wood Machines Tutor.

For your situation a simple dust lamp would suffice if used by a competent person.

Consider:

The suitable and sufficient assessment of the work activity by a competent person

1. Restrict sanding to a minimum by planning first
2. Use hand sander dust capture (bags)
3. Limit the number of pupils sanding at any one time.
4. As mentioned before , do not sand wood.

Theses are some control measures and do not replace the need for adequate information and training of staff and pupils.

If you want to talk on phone email me...
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#7 Posted : 06 February 2007 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Rob,

Don't profess to have any expertise in this area other than attending local school night class for woodwork and seeing their systems.

They have a very good LEV set up but in addition a general air filter.

I've just bought a small version for my home workshop from Turners Retreat (google them), you can see the idea in their on line catalog.
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#8 Posted : 06 February 2007 10:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Rob,

Sorry, I sent you on wild goose chase - no pictures on their website (good one in paper catalogue!).

see here :http://www.toolpost.co.uk/pages/Health___Safety/Dust_Extraction/Microclene/microclene.html
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#9 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham
Rob

Another issue you should look at -

Its my experience that woodwork teachers will take any free timber they can get their hands on (I understand its about cut backs to finance & money to other more important areas!).

I would have a good look around the stores for very exotic and hard woods.

Whilst you are having a look around check the metal work areas for the hot metal casting and there safety precautions.
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#10 Posted : 06 February 2007 20:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope
One of my public school customers has a stunning sanding bench with below bench level extraction avaialable from Axminster power tools. Not cheap I daresay but then the work area is virtually dust free.

Sent for info only as I guess this is a rather pie in the sky suggestion for the state sector
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