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#1 Posted : 05 February 2007 15:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Debbie S Problem: Man working in pit underneath lorry - says that 8lb mallet being used is too heavy. I have just had a look through the Getting to Grips with Manual Handling leaflet for guidance on weight/force ratio etc but can't find anything that refers to working with arms above head. Can anyone help please.
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#2 Posted : 05 February 2007 15:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Debbie Regardless of what any guidance may say, if the employee says the mallet is too heavy, it is too heavy and you should find a more appropriate implement. Paul
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#3 Posted : 05 February 2007 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Debbie S I accept that, but whats throwing me is that he has quite happily worked with the same tools for nearly 5 years, then started moaning about working in pits with his hands above his head (something unfortunately that a HGV fitter has to do) and when asked if he was experiencing muscular problems so that we could make a re-assessment he said no. Hence why I asked for 'guidance' and not completely safe.
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#4 Posted : 05 February 2007 16:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap I hope he's wearing goggles
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#5 Posted : 05 February 2007 16:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darren J Fraser Is the mallet a problem, or has something changed in the persons work routine that they feel they are unable to address and therefore are using the weight of the mallet as a factor. I am not for one minute, saying that an 8lb mallet above the head is ideal, and obviously I do not know the full facts only what has been stated on this post, but if they have happily been using the same tools for 5 years, I would look at other environmental / work factors as well. Carry out a full indepth probing investigation and assessment, involving and utilising the experience of the individual concerned, this should lead you to determine what the actual issue is, and then ensure that you deal with it.
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#6 Posted : 05 February 2007 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls Hi Debbie Speak to your fitter again, try to find out what has changed his attitude to the work he is doing. Its possible the hammer is just the tip of the iceberg. Or perhaps he's like me just feeling old and fragile. Try it and see what he has to say. Regards Alan N
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#7 Posted : 05 February 2007 17:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Whaley Debbie, A couple of issues, 1. Technically using a tool is not manual handling, hence nothing in the guidance about working above head height. 2. The filter for manual handling states 10kg as the 'safe' weight at head height close to the body and 5kg at arms length. I agree with previous posters that if the employee is not 'happy' with the task it should be investigated. You have the potential for upper limb disorder (WRULD). The fact the person has been doing the activity for a number of years could mean there is a problem developing or is he is getting older? Or has already been suggested is he just fed up? David
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#8 Posted : 05 February 2007 18:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Debbie You appear to be faced with a tangle of issues, on the basis of what you're saying. The occupational safety and health ones may be broadly classified in terms of 'unsafe postures' and 'stress'. Options open for a solution include videoing him at work and interviewing him to pinpoint where and when he reports a problem. If this doesn't lead to an agreed way ahead, you may be well advised to get a chartered occupational psychologist who is also a chartered safety & health practitioner and a registered ergonomist to make a formal assessment using the same methods; this can generate a solution, discipline (even leading to dismissal on grounds of 'frustration of contract') and/or a court case. If a court case arises either for personal injury or unfair dismissal damages, the objective report can be used as evidence and the writer and the troubled employee cross-examined about the difficulty resolving it. Alternatively, a solution may emerge based on an issue that the employee may be willing to discuss initially in confidence with an independent third party, which may result in a mutually acceptable compromise that nobody could otherwise even imagine. Haivng been down both channels as the independent third party, I'd simply encourage you (and the line manager) to balance firmness and fairness but not let the matter drift.
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#9 Posted : 06 February 2007 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By cara 'happily worked with the same tools for nearly 5 years' Perhaps he hasn't always been happy, he may have just been too scared to say anything and now he's reached the end of his tether? Surely there are lighter tools that can be used?
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#10 Posted : 06 February 2007 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Cara's observation about 'old and fragile' points to important issues about managing age and disability discrimination. They're important because there's no upper limit on successful discrimination claims. The safety clause of the age discrimination regulations and disability discrimination law require an employer to assess the risks to the employee associated with his age (any age above the school-leaving age) or disability and make appropriate adjustments. You can draw on research - referred to in my article in the October 2006 issue of 'Safety and Health Practitioner - about increasing risks of musculoskeletal problems as workers increase in age and how Finnish and Japanese employers have got to grips with them. And on ignificant research by the Robens Institute of Health Ergonomics published by the HSE in 2004 about links between occupational stress and musculo-skeletal problems.
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#11 Posted : 06 February 2007 10:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Debbie HSE Research Report no. 491 has several case studies on ergonomic adaptations to work organsiation and methods to reduce or eliminate musculoskeletal complaints; some involve recognition of the impact of physical constrains on employee height. They give details of the timescales and costs reported by the employers to steer the changes through to completion including costs of trials, capital investment and trainng. The Ergonomics Kit for General Industry by Dan MacLeod, published by Taylor & Francis (CRC Press) 2nd edition, 2006 offers a good introduction to industrial ergonomics.
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#12 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Kelly Hi Debbie - you need to take into account that it may be age, general health issues (you need to adapt his work to suit him). However - have you thought about reviewing his work patterns, how long he is working with arms above his head, how long he is using the mallet for ? Surely he cannot be using a mallet for so long that it would cause pain ? Something else is going on which you need to investigate. I don't think weight is the issue here. Regards
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#13 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Kelly Other thing to consider is probable use in a confined space. Sounds like the mallet could be too big as well as too heavy, they probably cannot manouevre their wrist / hand / arm. They may have been doing the job for 5 years but all sorts of factors can change (engine design, location of the manifold etc, etc) making the task different. The point is - if the fitter thinks they can do the job with a lighter mallet then you should give it to them, whether above head-height or not, it will cost nothing and keep them happy until you identify any other possible contributor factors. If your company is the type which is quibbling about a minute amount of cost for a consumable then I would suggest to your fitter that they should leave and see a solicitor ! Regards
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#14 Posted : 06 February 2007 17:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By William Debbie, i have sent you an email with the information which i think you require without going into overkill on the subject. Its just a couple of diagrams and i hope this helps.
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