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#1 Posted : 06 February 2007 08:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer I know its not a friday, but I thought I would highlight a story in todays scottish sun (page 27) A health & safety expert was banned from driving yesterday at Perth Sheriff court - after being caught shaving at over 60mph. A 39 year old male, was spotted by cops, leaning over to check his stubble in the rear view mirror. The driver was driving on the main A9 trunk road (Edinburgh to John O' Groats) and is well reported as an accident blackspot . Wonder if he did a risk assessment in the first place (saying this tongue in cheek, and trying hard not to laugh) Alex
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#2 Posted : 06 February 2007 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter He must have done a whisker assessment! Paul
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#3 Posted : 06 February 2007 09:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Its ok he had a "shave system of work"....
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#4 Posted : 06 February 2007 11:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger Uncles Was his wisker assessment stubble and shavefficient?
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#5 Posted : 06 February 2007 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Hayward Good to see he had a (shaving) brush with the law
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#6 Posted : 06 February 2007 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones Fined and banned - obviously more than a close shave! David
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#7 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Is he a member I wonder? And if so, he would presumably be an ex-member? Bringing the profession into disrepute and all that, John
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#8 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By I McDonald J Knight that's not the cut throat razor coming out is it? Ian
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#9 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer I wondered that too, obviously the AUG's prevent me from naming him. In addition, the article states he has also lost his job.
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#10 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer sorry, incorrect, with the loss of his licence, it is expected that he will lose his job!
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#11 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Good question Ian, and you're right; suggesting what I have makes me feel uneasy & a bit like a lynch mob, but if its as bad as the meeja makes out I can't see any other option really. Obviously one can't prejudge, but it really doesn't look good, John
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#12 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By I McDonald John my post was an attempt (bad is seems) at humour. Your point is a valid one though! Ian
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#13 Posted : 06 February 2007 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson That's a fast shaver (60 mph), how fast was the car doing ??
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#14 Posted : 06 February 2007 14:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Ian, Yeah, thought it was quite a good attempt really, made me smile, but the serious point was there to be answered, John
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#15 Posted : 06 February 2007 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clarke Kent the 2nd Cant see the problem myself as long as he kept looking up now and then, and kept both knees on the wheel.
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#16 Posted : 06 February 2007 16:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell Apparently, he denied it. He was on his way to present a first aid course, and said he merely put his head close to the mirror to see over the collection of CPR dummies on the back seat! (sadly, not an extension of the humour)
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#17 Posted : 06 February 2007 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By William I thought i would put the link to the story on the BBC website so everyone could view this, as it is pretty funny. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/..._and_central/6335491.stm Whats even funnier is that he has worked with the police on accident investigations, but it appears that he is someone with great attention to detail, as the police stopped him he was checking to see if he was getting a good shave.
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#18 Posted : 07 February 2007 09:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim This item has just been mentioned by Ken Bruce on radio 2. Disrepute or what?
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#19 Posted : 07 February 2007 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker OK, so it was a bit silly and he is going to pay big time. However, can all of you casting stones honestly say you have never breached the highway code?
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#20 Posted : 07 February 2007 10:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer I will hold my hand up, and admit to the odd lapse in which my speedo registers more than the signage on the road. But, come on, I think looking in the mirror and checking the quality of your shave is taking the mickey! Equally similar, how many of you admit to using mobiles, having a fag, eating an apple, etc, whilst driving?
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#21 Posted : 07 February 2007 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte I was under the impression that smoking and driving was not against the law, however I know I would rather drop a mobile phone in my crotch than a lit fag whilst driving. I can remember when I was younger my older sister (driving me about) used to be able to get her tabacco out, a rizzler, and roll a cigarette whilst steering with her knees and driving!
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#22 Posted : 07 February 2007 10:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim The problem here is the guy is a health and safety "inspector", that's what he is being called on radio. As professional safety people we do have a duty to be professional at all times and not act inappropriately as he has done.
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#23 Posted : 07 February 2007 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer hear, hear!
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#24 Posted : 07 February 2007 10:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Not sure that I like the thought of my membership being revoked after a driving offence. Has *he* brought the disrepute, or have those reporting on it brought it by the attention they are giving it? Does the IOSH Code of Conduct require expulsion of any safety professional convicted of an offence? Don't get me wrong, I think the offence is deplorable - but he has already paid at least twice over, if he is an IOSH member would it be appropriate to expel him, I suggest not. Thankfully, it is not my call ! (and I am not going to tell you lot about the things I could have been caught doing through the years!) :-)
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#25 Posted : 07 February 2007 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Thank goodness we have Saint Crim & Saint Alex amongst our numbers. I try my best to be good, but cannot admit hand on heart to being so virtuous in my life that had I been caught, you could not stone me too.
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#26 Posted : 07 February 2007 11:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Tabs, I agree, the idea that just for a motoring offence we should lose membership is not welcome. But as others have pointed out, this wasn't 'just' speeding or not stopping in time at a red light; his behaviour, if true, didn't just show somebody willing to break the rules, it showed utter contempt for them. It really is the scale of the offence which casts a cloud on the profession. We all break the Highway Code occasionally, but if the circumstances he was convicted on are correct he tore up the book and threw it away; in workplace terms, gross misconduct; dismissal rather than a warning, John
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#27 Posted : 07 February 2007 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper I do feel some of the comments trivalise the nature of what occurred here. I watched a programme recently where a lorry driver ran into the back of a car killing a young girl - the driver was apparently texting a message at the time....result: one young person wiped out and lives ruined for the families of both the victims and the lorry driver (lengthy custodial sentence). Whilst I appreciate we are by no means perfect ourselves I do believe that people using mobiles, shaving or other activities that lead to 'lengthy' distractions whilst driving are just as dangerous as those who drink and drive and should be subject to, as a minimum, a years driving ban. I'm sure those affected by similar incidents wouldn't find this incident remotely funny whether it involved a safety adviser or not. No offence intended, but I feel some of the comments posted appear to accept this as a 'silly' incident but don't appreciate the serious consequences this type of action can have for other road users. Would the comments have been quite so 'light hearted' had this individual wiped out a mother and 3 kids in a head on crash due to his actions?? I think not. This is no 'bonkers conkers' incident and as H & S professionals we should not be seen to trivalise these matters and I am disappointed in how many of the threads within this discussion appear to do so. FH
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#28 Posted : 07 February 2007 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neal Clark Hi all, Many thanks for all you comments on this subject so far. For your information, all IOSH members must comply with our Code of Conduct, point 8 of which states: ‘Members shall have regard to the reputation and good standing of the Institution, other members, and professional practice and standards, and shall not either directly or indirectly bring them into disrepute. A member may be required to provide the Institution with such information as is reasonably required by it in order to regulate the professional conduct and discipline of its members.’ Allegations of misconduct will be investigated by the IOSH Professional Committee and may result in disciplinary procedures. For full details of our Code of Conduct and disciplinary procedures, please visit www.iosh.co.uk/codeofconduct Since this matter is currently under investigation by IOSH, we must now draw any further speculation to a close. Please be advised that any further postings on this subject will be removed by the moderating team. Many thanks, Neal Clark, Web Co-ordinator.
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#29 Posted : 07 February 2007 12:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neal Clark Hi all, Many thanks for all you comments on this subject so far. For your information, all IOSH members must comply with our Code of Conduct. Allegations of misconduct will be investigated by the IOSH Professional Committee and may result in disciplinary procedures. For full details of our Code of Conduct and disciplinary procedures, please visit www.iosh.co.uk/codeofconduct Since this matter is currently under investigation by IOSH we must now draw any further speculation to a close. Please be advised that any further postings on this subject will be removed by the moderating team. Many thanks, Neal Clark, Web Co-ordinator.
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