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Posted By Crim
Can anyone determine whether the examples in the ACOP are fact, (actually happened), or fiction, (put there as suggested "what might have happened")?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Crim
I think that they are fAction - based on the points the HSE wish to get across!
Bob
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Posted By Jim Walker
Crim,
I'd wondered the same.
Robert,
If only life was that simple and uncomplicated(the examples).
has CDM 2007 made things easier (as planned) or not.
Personally, I'd like to crawl into a hole for the next 6 months and come out once the conflicts have been thrashed out.
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Posted By Crim
Bob, Jim,
Thanks for responding, having read through the Regs I think the spirit is good but it will take all duty holders to realise they all have a part to play and should take the new regs seriously.
The examples are good but if people see them as somebody else's fiction, they may be scoffed at?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
I personally think a lot of the conflicts are being generated by persons who have an axe to grind.
Some PSs will now see business disappear as the role of the co-ordinator becomes better provided by organisations and clients begin to realise that individuals will not provide the necessary indemnity insurance to cover any losses due to deficient design.
Clients are now realising that they will not be able to avoid their responsibilities and that even the non-notifiable projects will place duties upon them.
If you go into the IOSH Midland Branch Website you will find that they are running a CDM event on the 8th May at the National Motorcycle Museum. This will cover many of the issues. Contact me if you want a link to the bookings website. I think it is important that every safety practitioner understands the regulations even if they are not currently a duty holder under the regs. The new structure means that any organisation involved in letting any construction work as defined in the regulations will have a series of regulatory duties including information provision, competence assessment of contractors, co-ordination of works etc. The real changes I think will be significant although the HSE regard these merely as a simplification.
Bob
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Posted By peter gotch
Hi Crim
Don't know about the 2007 ACOP, but at least some of the examples in current ACOP are factual [or at least largely factual], e.g. Example 7.
A client proposed to build a new ferry
terminal.The client informed the planning
supervisor about the operation of the
nearby liquefied petroleum gas terminal.
The design and health and safety plan
took account of the potential impact of
shipping operations on the construction
project, and enabled risks to the LPG
operations to be identified and minimised.
This project was in Stornoway, Isle of Lewis
- famous for its black pudding,
- infamous for the speed of communication that an HSE Inspector is on the Island.
Regards, Peter
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Posted By Crim
Thanks Peter,
I'm currently working on the new regs and recognise some familiarity in example 19 regarding a prosecution for failing to adequately check competence.
I note that some of the new examples have previously appeared in the ACOP reprinted in 2002.
Many thanks
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