Posted By Homer Forgot to add this is not about the test, I think we should all do it, I'm just not eligible for the card I need if I pass.

Posted By JasonGould Steve999 The point I am making is this, With 10-13 years working in various construction roles allbeit not a management level, (I think I may have the talking to the lads sussed though) then 3-4 years going through quite a tough academic process to transform from a simpleton Joe Bloggs Labourer to now holding a number of H&S qualifications and working in high risk consultancy. (simpleton is still a subject I may have to defend now and again) I am quite happy to take a visitor card from CSCS as long as it is accepted on all sites where H&S consultancy takes place. After all, I am not a site manager nor a full time site H&S person. I go on site and spot problems. Some of which can be spotted by anyone. The term fresh pair of eyes always springs to mind here. My problem is this, I have gone for dip2 and never took the construction certificate or NVQ by choice. If today I had the Construction certificate, the card would be in my hands right now and guess what, I would still not be managing a site. So to me the CSCS system could well be flawed if it really believes roughly 600 hrs actual H&S tuition along with 6 exams and at least 35000 word in essay format does not account to part of the required competence. As far as experience is concerned, that again is a very subjective area. I work in high risk industries and audit plenty of PC, both in paperwork and at site level. I don't know it all and never will as is the case for every last single one of us. I was wondering why in the hell do I need the construction managers card? I am only visiting and advising. So my question is, is the yellow card going to allow me onto sites or not?. If not, well then, I have to also call the whole scheme a farce and flawed. If so, well then, I have to wonder what all the fuss is about really. Have others like me just failed to read the small print before sitting the managers test. I cannot understand why CSCS never made a card specifically for construction safety managers, advisers and consultants. They have one for Planning Supervisors. Clarity required here folks not ambiguity

Posted By JasonGould Sorry Steve my mistake, I added manager as one at the end list which is wrong. I meant consultants and adviser's = typo. Lets look at the list you highlighted Construction Health and Safety Manager Platinum Nope not me Construction Health and Safety Officer Gold Nope unless officer means consultant Construction Health and Safety Senior Manager Black Nope again not my role Construction Site Inspector Platinum I am not sure on this one?????? I see these cards which are close but not actually consulting or advising. I am never going to be one of these folks listed here unless inspector means anything to my job which I will probably be advised it does not. I am a advisor/consultant/auditor, not manager, officer or safety senior manager. I do not manage everyday health and safety on site. I check it is being managed and advise on construction H&S. This all sounds quite autocratic etc but it is what I get paid to do and I do it well IMHO. So taking a step back, what was the correct CSCS test and card for me to take to save any future embarrassment on site? I personally don't care if it is black, blue, gold or platinum, I want whatever card gets me on site to enable me to do my job without any fuss. I have done my sweat and homework and can back myself up regarding site knowledge. I even know and admit when out of my depth and am required to do more homework and training. I would also like to pose the question open to others whom may hold one of those above cards and do actually only have the Construction Certificate, I know what the paper says about NVQ 4 etc but am pretty sure I have met one or two people holding the cards with just the Construction Certificate. I am however not sure if other qualifications came into play when they applied for the cards so stand to be corrected. Taking your second point about the new scheme, well I have to say it, I am still lost and am beginning to wonder what is going on? IOSH CPD, APS get on the ladder, now CSCS, Arrrrgggghhh sod it, I am going back on site work and flinging this H&S away. Breakdown breakdown breakdown stress stress stress bang

Posted By Peter Leese Jason, the irony of all this? Three years ago I was providing H&S training for site operatives for NPORS. But the only card I can get now is a yellow visitors card and I had to take a low standard H&S test (containing questions most 10 years olds could answer) to get it. If it isn't a time wasting farce then what is?

Posted By Homer CSCS card touch screen test day. Left office at 09:20 and arrived back by 09:40 and also did on line feedback survey. 100% scored and despite all my other safety quals and experience I can't get a card what a load of b*ll*cks, and I thought NEBOSH was bad, LOST IN SPACE.