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#1 Posted : 22 February 2007 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Patrick George Hi, Do you feel that the fire extinguisher cylinders colour code according to BS EN 3 is bit difficult to identify in an emergency and why did they change it?
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#2 Posted : 22 February 2007 13:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver fire extinguishers should be selected and positioned in accordance with the type of fire your risk assessment has highlighted. Also, remember that they are predominantly provided to aid the escape from a building, not for employees to fight fires. Your fire risk assessment should identify escape routes (quarantined, without flammable material present in these areas), types of extinguisher, fire resisting doors. I don't have a problem with the colour coding of fire extinguishers as longs as all of the above issues have been considered before extinguisher selection. Paul
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#3 Posted : 22 February 2007 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Clifton Richard The answer as to why it was changed is in your question. The 2 letters EN relates to the Eurocrats across the water interfering in a system that was perfectly adequate in the first place. This is demonstrated by the fact that the EN is preceded by BS (British Standard). The original BS made identifying extinguisher types so easy and from a distance. Can't leave anything alone! Good job it isn't Friday or I would have had a good old rant. Adrian
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#4 Posted : 22 February 2007 14:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Young As Adrian mentioned and as I have been told, it was to standardise the identification of extinguishers throughout the EU. It was agreed that it would be easier for the UK to downgrade their ID systems than to try and make the others improve theirs to UK standards.
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#5 Posted : 22 February 2007 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Yes the red colour for all extinguishers does make life difficult, however if you get to understand how the different types operate they may become more easily identified, i.e. CO2 discharge horn, Powder usually smaller than water/foam, Water usually by narrow hose etc. There should also be a coloured band near the top of each one denoting the type of medium contained? I do agree with all above especially ensure you position the correct type for the risk. Also those personnel trained to operate extinguishers should know contents and how to distinguish?
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#6 Posted : 22 February 2007 23:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor If you think this is a problem, just see what happens if they get their United States of Europe.
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#7 Posted : 23 February 2007 08:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By John D Crosby The original BS actually stated that the predominant body colour should be red but everyone ignored it and stuck with the one body colour denoting type. This was OK as there where many suppliers of extinguishers but eventually the big two joined up and decided to sell into Europe where the red body was the norm. As they had by now some 40% of the sales and 80% of the manufacturing of extinguishers they became the dominant force and thus forced everyone else to comply. It was purely a business decision and nothing to do really with edicts etc from Europe. Take care John C
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#8 Posted : 23 February 2007 10:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs I thought at the time that there would be big problems, but like everything else, one gets used to it. It's no big shake and I have yet to hear of a genuine risk to safety following a mistaken identification. At least now all Europeans should identify them as extinguishers (was there ever a problem before? Dunno).
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#9 Posted : 23 February 2007 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Knee-jerk Europhobes should really take good note of John's post about how this decision was reached. As the second biggest economy in Europe its really ludicrous to imagine that much happen in the EU without the approval of at least some powerful bodies in the UK. Very often the UK government uses the EU to push legislation it knows wouldn't wash from the domestic parliament; I know this happens, a close friend of mine was a telecoms lobbyist in Brussels, and this is exactly how it worked when she was there. BTW, why would you be using fire extinguishers anyway? I've had so many fire officers tell me that in the event of fire people just should get out that I've lost count. Don't care whether they're all the same colour or not, I'm just thinking about how I phrase my bid for sprinklers throughout (Residential Care & Hospices, mainly), John
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