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Posted By Nick Chivers
I was wondering if anyone had any useful comparison charts / text (inc. additonal duties) for progression from PS to CDM-C under the new CDM '07 Regulations.
Any help gratefully recieved.
Regards
Nick
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Posted By JEB
All the information you require is in the New CDM ACOP L144 Page 45 Competence & Training paragraphs 193 to 240 covers Regs 4,13,19 and 22 and also Appendix 5. Don't compare with the old PS meet the requirements of the new CDM-C
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Posted By Nick Chivers
Of course we should all be looking to meet new requirements, but I was asked the question by another.
So nothing out there then I guess?
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Posted By Dave McIness
Nick
I think what Nick is saying is that you cannot necessarily produce a flow chart or similar to say an existing PS will need to do XYZ as a CDM-C.
The two roles are like chalk and cheese and many existing PS's are not competent to act as CSM-C's.
Have a look at the ACOP.
Dave
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Nick
I presume one of your clients is asking the question in order to do some form of GAP analysis concrning comptence. Unfortunately there are many pitfalls, including the one implicit in the request that an individual will alone be the co-ordinator, as is the current practice that has wrongly developed with the PS role.
The issue is actually one of corporate comptence and not individual, although of course comptent individuals are needed to form the co-ordinator team for a project. Look out for the Midland Branch CDM seminar in the SHP this month it should help resolve many of the questions.
Bob
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Posted By Dave McIness
Nick
Whilst I do not disagree with the principles of what Bob is saying, Bob's comments with regards to:
"The issue is actually one of corporate competence and not individual"
are not strictly correct, this is Bob's interpretation and personnel beliefs with regards to who should be fulfilling the role of the CDM-C. Both the CDM Regulations and the ACOP clearly state that an individual can fulfil the role (rightly or wrongly), subject of course to them having the required competence, though in many cases, on many projects this is difficult for an individual to achieve.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Dave
I take your point but from Nicks position I would guess an organisation is asking the question. I know that small non-complex projects may not have more than one person assigned but I would still suggest that the organisation rather than the individual should be appointed even if they only place a single person on the project.
As an individual I think I would rather my employer carry the PI insurance than myself. My real fear is that the individual type approach will lead us back to the problems of the PS developments pos 1994.
Bob
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