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#1 Posted : 01 March 2007 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Filippo I am responsible for the fire safety of a large office and industrial complex in an African country. There is absolutely no prospect of a sprinkler system being installed. At the moment we have to rely on the vigilence of individuals to detect a fire and pick up an extinguisher. I have been approached by a company selling fire extinguishing balls. It has the same dimension as a bowling ball, weighs 1.3 kg and can be rolled into a fire to act as a first strike. It explodes within 3 seconds, releasing a cloud of dry powder (mono ammonium phosphate). These devices can be positioned above fire risks so they can activate if exposed to flame. Obvious disadvantages include: 140 dB bang! short duration of smothering action. Can anyone let me know good and bad points about this product. I normally wouldn't entertain the idea, but surely they are better than nothing?
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#2 Posted : 01 March 2007 14:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 I can see it now - roll ball towards fire - oh I misaligned my shot and it has stopped away from the fire - decide to go and get it and try again - fire speads - become engulfed by fire - ball goes bang - I'm now not only burnt but missing a leg from the explosion. Surely the answer is fire risk assessment and then sell the need for teh appropriate measures based on that assessment
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#3 Posted : 01 March 2007 14:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Allan St.John Holt It's not Friday yet, is it? Or 1st April? You've got to be kidding us - but if not, why not give us a Web address so we can all have a look at this product? Allan
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#4 Posted : 01 March 2007 14:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Filippo That's the catch, appropriate measures. For several reasons, e.g. risk perception, reluctance to spend money; there is no possibility of obtaining the standard of fire protection which would be considered "normal" in the UK. You have to work within the confines of what is available here, or board the next plane home. As I am still here, I accept it a less satisfactory solution than a fixed installation, but my question remains, is the fire extinguishing ball worth considering in this given situation?
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#5 Posted : 01 March 2007 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Filippo The product is called Elide Fire Extinguishing Ball. If you type that into a search engine, you will get info from press, suppliers etc. The concept isn't new, fire fighters in the UK have used fire extinguisher grenades.
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#6 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Filippo, Great device! I want some! To be honest, I think most of us thought you were winding us up. I think you are right to be concerned - I would stick to putting my efforts into prevention if I were you. Not sure how disciplined your workers are, but if these were used in the UK there would be an awful lot of horseplay.
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#7 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I wouldn't knock this as we have to realise that Filippo is acting in good faith and is operating in a country that is way behind the UK as far as standards are cincerned, also he does not have the luxuries we are faniliar with at his disposal. I had a look at the web site and see the product has received some endorsements, so it can't be too dad. Now let's see what anyone else has to say Good luck with your efforts Filippo!
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#8 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Filippo Jim, I don't think horseplay is as much a problem here as much as things disappering and turning up on market stalls. Smoke detectors have their batteries removed and the eratic electricity supply often ruins unprotected electrical equipemnt. That rules out a reliable automatic detection system. The situation that is very different to the UK. Simple, robust solutions are the answer, even if they are antiquated by international standards.
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#9 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Filippo Thank you Crim.
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#10 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver Have to agree with Jim. Focus your efforts on fire prevention, and remember; fire fighting is best left to the professionals. office users should only need to use fire fighting equipment to aid there escape from the building. Paul
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#11 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Fire prevention measures will be completely different for Filippo therefore we must not assume that he has access to the same standards we have. We have to put ourselves in his position. By the way if you look at the website there is a photo of a scooter loaded up with these devices. Is this a typical Fire appliance
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#12 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Get Ron Wood and Wizard to play at the "Ball" hmm am I the only one old enough to remember the hit song they had.."Fire brigade" think I will go have a nap!!!!!!!!
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#13 Posted : 01 March 2007 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Hi Filippo. I can see quite a lot of advantages, not least that it will operate passively, e.g to deal with a fire when noone is around, and has no maintenance requirements in 5 year life. http://www.ssp.co.th/ Clever inventor! Regards, Peter
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#14 Posted : 02 March 2007 09:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC There is of course the other version of this where you have these devices (shown in the link attached) hung from the ceiling or fixed to the wall. Some computer rooms used to have similar filled with halon in ye olde days. Not sure if anyone supplies them in the UK anymore. I'm sure someone will know. http://www.globalsources...sher/p/sm/1001851181.htm
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#15 Posted : 02 March 2007 10:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Thomason Clever stuff - and the inventor is a safety officer! I agree that horseplay could be a problem, or units "going missing". I'd add an instruction to leg it after throwing - I wouldn't fancy being exposed to the bang, the powder or indeed the depleted oxygen if at close range. And no going back for another try if the fire isn't out. I wonder what the chances of a fault would be? - you wouldn't want this going off in error.
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#16 Posted : 02 March 2007 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By DaveW I daren't even begin to imagine the local H&S Culture limitations that you're dealing with having visited a few of the less advanced parts of that lovely continent myself. You do like a challenge don't you? I think that we can fairly safely forget about quoting UK Regs at your employers other than as recommendations for serious consideration can't we? What's the average response time for emergency services in that neck of the woods? is it stand back and watch it burn until fireman Fred arrives (three days later) or is it (more likely) all hands to the pumps? I'd be reducing fire risks as far as possible, having plenty of fire extinguishers attached to walls on long robust chains and training staff in extinguisher use and how to resist the temptation to sell them at the local market. I'd also ban bolt-croppers from the premesis and try to keep my balls out of the fire.
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