Posted By David G C Senario Notifiable Project Employer: Mr Property Manager (CDM C would be acting as a sub-consultant to Mr Property Manager who are acting as Project Managers for the Client). Mr Property Manager would inform the client of the sub-appointment; however they are not prepared to appoint CDM Co-ordinator directly in the role of CDM-C.(admin burden) This situation must be familiar what would be views on ways of approaching a relationship such as the duty holder employers agent will no longer exist and shift in liability.

Posted By holyterror72 Howdy, I may have got your question wrong as well. A recent example of a Client was held at a CPD event for this where the client was never present and didn't really care whats happenings as the project manager was acting in there best interest and therefore not interested in communicating with the CDM-C. Although the 'Clients Agent' has been abolished under the new regs in reality it will still happen as project managers act as agents, although a project manager will never sign anything excepting clients liability (risk equals extra fee. I have asked the HSE about this but they are yet to reply. It is a bit unclear under the new regs I think but I'm sure i know whats implied. I think the contract as CDM-C will have to empower the CDM-C on behalf of the Client and nothing goes ahead without the CDM-Cs say so on their behalf. As long as it doesn't become political and decisions are based on reality it may work out OK that way, but time will tell. Howdy, I may have got your question wrong as well. A recent example of a Client was held at a CPD event for this where the client was never present and didn't really care whats happenings as the project manager was acting in there best interest and therefore not interested in communicating with the CDM-C. Although the 'Clients Agent' has been abolished under the new regs in reality it will still happen as project managers act as agents, although a project manager will never sign anything excepting clients liability (risk equals extra fee. I have asked the HSE about this but they are yet to reply. It is a bit unclear under the new regs I think but I'm sure i know whats implied. I think the contract as CDM-C will have to empower the CDM-C on behalf of the Client and nothing goes ahead without the CDM-Cs say so on their behalf. As long as it doesn't become political and decisions are based on reality it may work out OK that way, but time will tell. Another interpretation of your question, and slightly quicker, is that any one who is a 'designer' or, I would argue, construction industry regular who knows about CDM would have an obligation to tell the Client about their obligations as usually they cant legally undertake their duties properly without a PS being appointed.

Posted By David G C holyterror Your post is the situation (silent Client) i am trying to put across and your interpertaion has made things a clearer. Thankyou

Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Hiya How about this one then? Client decides that it has a team of people who can be the CDMC. Say 4 people, (engineers, safety people, project mgr - a bit of mix) but looking at the new guidance not one of them is qualified enough to do the CDMC's role singularly. There are 4 + projects on the go on the F10, each team leader looks after one project, and has their own safety file. No one person coordinates the team, no one person makes a final decision. In fact its possible that the team don't know what each others project entails at any given moment. Discuss... as its all beyond me now! Regards Linda