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Posted By Crim
Can anyone advise please.
A designer mentioned to me yesterday that the removal of a shop front (metal frame, glazing etc.) could be classed as demolition.
Is he correct? and if so what difference would it make to a project whether 30 + days or not?
Thanks
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Posted By CFT
Crim
I hardly think the removal of a shop front constitutes demolition; there used to be a yard stick (shows my age) on what percentage represented demolition and in this instance I suspect it would be a fairly small percentage. No doubt others may wish to consider it demolition.
I would be most surprised if CDM does not apply.
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Posted By mrs.seed
The standard we tend to use is that demolition is structural elements only i.e. not windows, stud walls etc. Obviously if it is a glass clad sky scrapper that analogy wouldn't really work!
From the information you have given I think that you only need to worry about CDM if you hit the other triggers i.e. more than 4 people on site at any one time or more than 30 days construction. (For those being picky, I'm leaving out the 500 days bit as don't think it will count and it can be difficult to explain to the uninitiated).
When is this project starting, cause its all change in a few weeks!
mrs.seed
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Posted By Bob Youel
NB: The number of people on site has no bearing re the new CDM regs
you should use common sense - if its none structural, small job, short duration, low risk etc it probably is not demolition in the true sense of the word - check the latest demolition guidance
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Posted By Chris Pope
Always check that the shopfront is not structural - it can be.
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Posted By Crim
This project will start 14th March and run until 8th May 07, therefore CDM 07 will apply after 6 April.
I agree with you all that it is not demolition.
I have yet to prepare the CDM Plan which will be under current Regs.
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Posted By holyterror72
Is it just me or are the current 'pre tender h&s plan' and 'pre construction info' exactly the same? I thought paperwork and bureaucracy were supposed to be reduced. Everyone are now worried about liability therefore everything will be documented and there will be more paperwork than usual. Hurray!
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Posted By holyterror72
apologies for poor English.
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Posted By David G C
i understand it that the pre tender/construction plan is prepared prior to assist those bidding for a particular contract.
Under the new CDM 2007 the pre construction information can mean any information that maybe required by a designer employed by contractor and vice versa, this can be sometime well into a project.
The new CDM 2007 implies Pre-construction information to mean any information required before any contractor commences work onsite and the CDM C has a duty to ensure he receives it. A whole different approach as to the PS at the moment.
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