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#1 Posted : 09 March 2007 10:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Emma Forbes Sorry to ask this, what could be simple, question but if you have 6 female staff who work in a restaurant and share the one and only toilet with customers, is this OK? Thanks in advance.
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#2 Posted : 09 March 2007 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Berg Emma For toilets used by between 6-25 persons mixed use (by men and women)then there should be 2 toilets and 2 wash basins.
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#3 Posted : 09 March 2007 11:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Thats an ACOP not a Regulation.
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#4 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Berg This is the 'minimum number than need to be provided' See Table 1 www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg293.htm#indg293-10
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#5 Posted : 09 March 2007 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Still not compulsory.
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#6 Posted : 09 March 2007 16:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Doug Russell ITK I am puzzled by your repeated insistence that the minimum standards in the ACoP are not compulsory. True, the regulation only states that 'suitable and sufficient' facilities must be provided. But if you ended up in court because you didn't provide the minimum in the ACoP how would you prove you had complied with the law in some other way? Emma, you don't say how big or busy the restaurant is. If the volume of customers made it difficult for a member of staff to use the toilet when they needed it you could have a problem.
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#7 Posted : 09 March 2007 16:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Emma Are they all on shift at the same time? If not then you are on 5 max. Regards, Peter
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#8 Posted : 09 March 2007 17:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By DOUGLAS BLAIR Not Only should you look at the Workplace Regs (try to explain why you cannot comply with the AcOP-- WHICH IS BASED ON THE OLD OSRP ACT 1964) BUT ALSO THE most recent FOOD HYGIENE REGS AND GUIDANCE. REGARDS DB Healthcare Specialist Group
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#9 Posted : 09 March 2007 17:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By DOUGLAS BLAIR Should also have said that the provision of toilets under the workplace regs as I understand it applies only to the number of staff employed and does not take into account how many customers you may have. Have a quiet word in confidence with your local Environmental Health Officer employed by your local authority. Also If a drinks licence is required then the licensing rules may impose stricter standards. Sad though that the restaurant cannot comply with regs based on 40 year old standards. Just hope the Chef washes his hands properly but in hygiene terms that doesn't help if no-one else does !!! Happy eating. DB Healthcare Specialist Group.
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#10 Posted : 10 March 2007 08:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Doug R, You know as well as I do that the "Regulation" (legal requirement) states adequate sanitary conveniences should be provided. The original poster states there are 6 employees in total (workplace regulations do not take into account customers), it is unlikely that all 6 employees are working at any one time therefore they could succesfully argue that they are complying with the Regulation and that they even follow the ACOP which states one toilet and one as hand basin are required for 1 to 5 employees. I doubt an Enforcement official would see it otherwise. Regards ITK
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#11 Posted : 10 March 2007 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Douglas Blair, The Licensing Act does not deal with toilets as this is not one of the four licencing objectives. Regards ITK
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#12 Posted : 10 March 2007 17:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg293.htm
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