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Posted By P I Kinvig
I'm going round in circles a bit here and could do with a pointer or two.
My understanding under the old CDM was that demolition was one of the criteria that made CDM work notifiable.
I'm busily reading the new 2007 regs prior to updating a client and see that 'for the purposes of these Regulations, a project is notifiable if the construction phase is likely to involve more than 30 days or 500 person days, no mention of demolition.
I'm assuming then that demolition work is actually notifiable under some regs of it's own, nothing to do with CDM?
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Posted By The toecap
Have a look at reg 29
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Posted By The toecap
WRONG. Try reg 20.
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Posted By P I Kinvig
Thanks but still confused, what am I missing?
Reg 29 says you'll plan demolition and record what you do - not necessarily notify it.
Reg 20 is General duties of CDM Co-ordinators, a position you wont have unless you've first decided the work is notifiable?
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Posted By peter gotch
Hi P I
Under current Regs demolition is not notifiable unless likely to take more than 30 days or 500 person days.
Under CDM2007 will have to apply all the requirements for non-notifiable projects plus put arrangements for management into writing - i.e. effectively equivalent of construction phase H&S plan.
Regards, Peter
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Posted By Dave Daniel
Actually, a clear decision was taken in drafting CDM2007 to NOT require notification of "demolition" or anything else for less than 500 man-days/30Days, and to raise the threshold of what I've always called "Small Works".
Ergo - You can employ 100 men for 5 days to demolish or build something big without notifying the HSE, and Reg 29 merely says you have to record your plan in writing - Seems no more than a simple method statement to me...
With 50 men and 10 days I guess I could flatten quite a large building........
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Posted By Richard Mathews
The only requirement for notification of a project is 30 days or 500 person days, full stop.
CDM always applies but it is only notifiable by the above criteria.
Richard
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Posted By John Caboche
Regulation 29 requires that all demolition and dismantling work is planned and carried out in such a manner to prevent and reduce danger.
It also requires that the arrangements are recorded in writing - ie a method statement - prior to work commencing.
The same criteria for notification apply as for any other construction work.
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
All demolition work subject to CDM regs but only notifiable under the days/hours criteria.
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Posted By P I Kinvig
Many thanks to you all.
I've just finished reading a nice new copy of the ACOP/Regs and this along with your replies has answered all the questions I can think of for now.
It does appear that the new regs are an improvement over the old and although the scrapping of the 5 man rule pulls in a lot of my smaller clients for the first time, it should not be particularly onerous for anyone that was following good H&S practice anyway.
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Posted By Crim
P I
How does scrapping the 5 man rule pull in your smaller clients?
I would think it would be the reverse.
I have a client who will no longer need to notify their 28 day projects, also no P S and no CDM Plan for me to do.
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Posted By Berg
See Regulation 2 Interpretation ;
Construction work includes demolition or dismantling of a structure.
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