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Posted By paul holbrook
my problem is i run a rubbish clearance company and we did a shop clearance this week where part of the job was removing a suspended cieling.
i was told the cieling was installed in the early 80's and i asked wether it was asbestos.
the client stated that he has a survey of the building done and that is was not asbestos.
we continued with the job and have finished working there, however when i got home a family memeber has seen the cieling tiles on my van and said that he thinks that they ARE asbestos!!!!
i am now very very worried about health issues of myslef and the people that i had working with me!!
can somebody give me some advice on getting the material checked out as i have saved a piece in a jar???
i am in bristol by the way.
thanks
paul
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Posted By Bob Youel
I advise that you get competent support as you say that you are a clearance company when you were probably undertaking demolition works
The issues re asbestos are many; from removing it to, transporting, carrying, storing it etc
Additionally in this day and age your chance of civil action against you is higher that it has ever been irrespective of enforcement action nor other areas
asbestos kills - so you should come from that angle - & you should have undertaken a suitable survey
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Posted By paul holbrook
does anyone know where i can the piece that i have kept checkd out to see if it IS asbestos?
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Paul
Try Bristol Scientific Services on 0117 922 2000.
Paul
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Posted By CFT
Paul
Not overly helpful to your current situation, but for the future if such an issue comes up and the 'client' states he has had an inspection, then please request that the (probably)type two survey is passed to you for further consideration. If the area remains safe then the survey will confirm this to be so.
CFT
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Posted By cathal
Hi Paul
Check Out this website address
http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/
You may have to review your working practices within your company from now on.ie
I feel you are most concerned about your own health and that of your employees and as you are a clearing outfit you may which to consider Health screening individuals that were involved in this particular job and any future employees coming into the company pre-start. However as CFT describes above and i would maybe go one stage further and carry out A stage 3 asbestos survey especially on buildings prior to 1985.You may have to seek advice on your insurance were you may have to let someone else carry out the removal as a way of transferring or avoiding the risk rather than reducing or retaining the risk without this specialist contractors knowledge of site surveying we leave ourselves at risk to our health & Safety
Regards
Cathal
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Posted By MAK
Note, at some point in your situation, one of the dutyholders on this project/site has reviewed the Type 2 report and deemed there to be no asbestos associated with the scope of works at the location.
However from experience, I can tell you that every type 2 report needs to be reviewed very carefully for example, I recently read a project survey report in which a dutyholder (not H&S) cut and pasted an extract section of the asbesto Type 2 report and concluded there was no asbestos present.
A bold statment.
however, I reviewed the extract and lo and behold there were only 4 samples shown, demonstrated from a large office block, which had actually had samples taken, 3/4 were ceiling voids (not the only area to be affected by intrusive works associated with the current project). the other entry was also not relevant to the current scope of works.
I advise you in addition to getting the sample you've retained tested. also double check the literature you have been issued i.e the statment saying there is no asbestos and retain for future reference.
Unfortunately everyone involved on your works had a duty of care to manage asbestos and hopefully you will have checked additional records as you commenced works on site (if you are the principal contractor), and complied with other requirements as necessary
Please considering reviewing your current working procedures to limit future exposure.
good luck
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Paul
Your problems really started when you did not get sight of the actual survey analytical information for these tiles but simply took somebody's word for it. You had suspicions but still took the tiles. Get the analysis done before you move any further on this. But I would also now talk to both the HSE locally and the EA as you have real problems to sort out if this is asbestos and the costs are likely to be high!! I think that honest discussions are the most likely to get you out of too hot water.
Bob
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Posted By Tracey C
Hi Paul
I have a phone number of an asbestos company that travel around the UK. They take samples and give you a report within 24 hours, but the lady i deal with is brilliant and she can spot asbestos a mile off!
Give me a call on 0161 909 3462 if you want her mobile number.
Cheers
T
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Posted By Peter McMurray
Paul
Firstly it would be good to know what did these tiles look like? Were they heavy?
Generally asbestos ceiling tiles are Asbestos Insulating Board which is a very heavy material (The same for cement).
It's possible the tiles were MMMF (Machine Made Mineral Fibre). MMMF does not contain asbestos and are much lighter that asbestos tiles. However (and not to panic you), some older MMMF tiles had a paper backing which can contain a small percentage of Chrysotile asbestos.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, the best option is to have them analysed at a lab.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
The ONLY way to tell if a product contains asbestos is to get it analysed by a UKAS accredited analytical company - look in yellow pages for your area.
Asbestos ceiling tiles 'Heavy' methinks not, this is a lightweight low density product which historically could contain up to 40% Amosite (brown) and was banned in 1985!
Get it sampled!
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Posted By Peter McMurray
Dave
I apologise for my last post not being clear enough.
I was trying to compare A.I.B to a MMMF tile. There would be considerable amount of weight/texture/appearance difference.
A.I.B can also contain Crocidolite. These were an older board. Used up until around 1964.
Agreed, definitely have it analysed!
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Posted By Dave Wilson
If any one has any queries regarding different types of asbestos materials you can download MDHS 100 Surveying, sampling and assessment of asbestos containing materials from the HSE website for free in .pdf and in this it gives you the majority of building products and the type of asbestos which it was generally made with as well as how to sample and survey.
Nearly all ACM's have at one time been made with or a mixture of blue, brown and white. so check it out!! its free!
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Posted By Doug Kelly
The HSE asbestos microsite is very helpful with asbestos issues in general(http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/index.htm)
Lots of free downloads, including a photo gallery and 'interactive building' - all in fabulous technicolor. It's a shame the free MDHS100 pdf is in monochrome but you can't have it all for nowt.
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Posted By A. Fergusson
Try Westward Insulation, good on Asbestos removal and control and based in Bristol
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