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#1 Posted : 01 April 2007 05:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul
I teach woodwind (clarinet & saxophones) at a secondary school, for 6 hours in a day, usually with pairs of pupils for 20-30 mins each group. I see about 17 pupils.

After Easter the school has asked me to move to their new practice rooms. 2 of the 3 rooms have no windows for direct natural daylight or the outside air, no mechanical ventilation system either. As my previous career was in architecture, I am certain these rooms fail Part F of the Building Regs which cover ventilation. Each person needs 11m3 volume of air and 8 litres of pure fresh air per second. I can't see this happening here as the practice rooms are like monks cells and they are situated underneath the science labs!

Can anyone give me advice on the types & names of airborne bacteria/micro-organisms which would build up within the confines of a badly ventilated, school music practice room? Size of room approx 2m x 3m x 2.5m high.

I was once told that there are about 69 forms of bacteria in the mouth, so with all this blowing around the poorly ventilated room, I am a bit worried about what my pupils and I might be breathing in. (Plus I've just come off antibiotics after 1 year!)

I am preparing my case under The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, so I can inform the school's safety officer when I go back in 3 weeks time.

Any advice is welcome right now. Thanks.
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#2 Posted : 01 April 2007 06:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Paul

If your intention is to improve control of risks to pupils, as a classroom teacher it is appropriate for you to express your concern in principle in writing to both the headteacher and the safety officer of the school, asking them to carry out the necessary technical risk assessment.

If your intention more of an April Fool's ploy, try elsewhere, dear chap.

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#3 Posted : 01 April 2007 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul
Thanks for your advice Kieran. My question is genuine and not an April fool thank you very much. It hardly suggests so and I haven't spent the past 3 days searching through the following publications just for the fun of it!

Statutory Instrument 1992 No. 3004; The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regs 1992.

Employment Rights Act 1996; Part V.

HSE Workplace health, safety and welfare - a short guide for managers.

HSE Confined Spaces at Work.

HSE Infections at work.

The Education (School Premises) Regs 1999.
Accommodation; Ventilation; Lighting.

Hansard: 20 March 2006; John Hemming & Jacqui Smith.

Building Bulletin 90: Lighting Design for Schools.

Guidance to the DfES Constructional Standards for School Buildings, April 2001.

Building Regs 2000, Approved Document E, Resistance to the passage of sound.

Building Bulletin 93: Acoustic Design of Schools, chapter 5 the design of rooms for music. And Appendix 9 - Noise at Work Regulations relating to Teachers.

Building Bulletin 86: Music Accommodation in Secondary Schools.

Building Bulletin 87: Guidelines for Environmental Design in Schools.

Building Regs 2000, Approved Document F, Means of Ventilation.

Building Bulletin 101: Ventilation of School Buildings.


So, any advice on the types of micro-organisms/bacteria which may well occur in such a confined room space would really help in my written statement to the school's safety officer, thanks.

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#4 Posted : 01 April 2007 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Fair comment, Paul

Yet my first proposal remains. As a CMIOSH, I've been commissioned by a maintained (i.e. not fee-paying) school to carry out a risk assessment about an issue which the headteacher persuaded the teacher required a thorough risk assessment which could withstand a legal challenge. So, I question the validity of the research you're doing, however well-intentioned it is.

Since you have invested 3 days already, is that not enough to make the case to the school that an independent risk assessment should be conducted by an appropriate specialist who has the appropriate professional indemnity insurance as well as specialist knowledge base?

Good wishes, whichever path you attend.

Btw, I either qualify every letter I write today with a comment about my own intentions or else date it '2 April 2007' :-)
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#5 Posted : 01 April 2007 17:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Paul

You may find some useful information in the 'Hazardous Substances' SIG on the website of the British Occupational Hygiene Society (www.bohs.org.uk).

I've also remembers a chartered chemist and v. experienced CMIOSH who might be able and willing to offer some suggestions to you; if you phone me on 020 8654 0808, I'll let you know his name and work situation.
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#6 Posted : 19 June 2007 23:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul
Hi Kieran,

Here is my update on what has happened since we last spoke!

Right after Easter, I wrote to the Headteacher and Head of Music at that school, clearly stating my Health & Safety concerns at the prospect of having to work all day in an unventilated room 2.0m x 1.75m x 2.33m high, with no natural daylight. I asked for a Risk Assessment.

The Deputy Head said he was always keen to listen and act upon colleagues concerns and he would make it a priority to have a H&S Inspection. But he was disappointed at my 'official' letter! Can you believe it.

I asked them why they had totally ignored the Government Building Bulletins for music room design; Building Regs ventilation, and acoustics; HSE approved code of practice for 11m3 volume of air per worker and fresh air rates of 8L/sec/person etc. And then I asked why they hadn't used an Architect? Who approved these room sizes? (Head of Music, was the answer!). Then I was told by the school's H&S representative: "Why not work in the corridor instead then!"

For the next few weeks I heard nothing from any of the senior management. That is until last week when I found out that the school has decided to give me the boot, after 3+ succesful years there. The Headteacher knew nothing about this decision when I asked him face-to-face. It was the Head of Music's doing. Funny that.

It's easier for them to do this, than accept someone has made a c*ck-up and wasted a lot of money. I was the only person who raised a H&S concern, and crossed paths with the Head of Music. She took this as a personal battle. So she picked fault with my work to try and say it was a 'performance' and 'rudeness' issue. Very sly.

You did warn me that people often end up losing their jobs over H&S issues Kieran. You weren't wrong m8.

As I work via an Agency who employ me, not the school directly, I am going to try and make use of The Employment Act 1996, Chapter 18; Part V; 44 (1) d & e. This protects employees against detriment for bringing up a H&S issue. I want to take them to an Employment Tribunal. I'm in touch with my union.

We'll see what happens next.

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#7 Posted : 20 June 2007 05:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Joule Land
Without the technicalities involved - the room you describe is little more than the music store room - It is unfortunate that some of the curriculums that based on the arts are looked on as subjects that can be gaped. May be the Head has a second agenda.
Personal opinion - Wish you every success and continue to bring music and joy to children and others. May your God go with you
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#8 Posted : 20 June 2007 06:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Hello Paul

While I share Andrew's good wish that, in the classif phrase of Dave Allen, your God may go with you, the courts in the UK don't recognise this entity.

To think through an imaginative strategy that you yourself don't find too stressful, may I recommend that you study the essentials of Reversal Theory of motivation and personality, developed by Michael Apter.

In the event that the school may employ a barrister who is 99% ignorant of safety law but very skilful with langauge, I also suggest that you study Howard Raiffa's guidance on negotiation and game strategies.

Both of these can help you in the medium-term as well.
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