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#1 Posted : 02 April 2007 13:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil Koskie
I work on a construction site. Within the site, there are 40 buildings, most of which are small cabins used for offices, welfare etc.

My question is this - do we need a no smoking sign on the door of each cabin, or can we just have one sign at the site entrance?

The Regs do not make this clear, they state that each premises needs a sign. But what is the definition of premises, a site or a building within a site?

Thanks
Neil
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#2 Posted : 02 April 2007 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Neil,

You'll be pleased to hear it is each building to which the legislation requires.

As a point of interest, during most construction projects, there will be a point at which the structure under construction will fall under the definition of enclosed or substantially enclosed. To comply with the law, you will need to post the mandatory signs at entrances to that building also.

The more this legislation is considered the more bonkers it becomes!

Ken
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#3 Posted : 02 April 2007 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic
These regulations are very new to everyone. My interpretation is that each entry point will require a sign. The regulations will be keenly policed at first with the introduction of council smoking detectives ( I know that's not the correct name). I suggest that for the time being you put a sign on each door entering a building. If you send me your e-mail address I will send you over some signs to download. Don't forget you will also need a smoking policy and there should be no smoking in vehicles that are shared be employees.
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#4 Posted : 02 April 2007 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Look, I know it's daft and may not be politically correct or even enforceable. I would put up one ENORMOUS sign at the site entrance. No Smoking.

And then kill anyone who smokes.

COMAH sites do it all the time and have no problems. (maybe not the "kill" bit)

If I go to a comah site I (as a pipe smoker) wear a patch.

Make it a site rule. Not building by building.

You DO NOT smoke here. Or you are DEAD.

Merv
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#5 Posted : 02 April 2007 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil Koskie
Merv

My issue is not whether to make the site no-smoking or not, it is whether I need a sign on each cabin door to comply with requirements of the new law. The whole site is no smoking at the moment, with the exception of one designated area.

Can anyone clear this matter up, there must be many other sites with a similar setup to mine - what are others doing?

This is a grey area in the wording in the new Regs and needs to be clarified.

Neil
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#6 Posted : 02 April 2007 20:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
No-smoking signs in premises
2. —(1) Except where paragraphs (3) and (4) apply, at each entrance to smoke-free premises there shall be displayed in a prominent position at least one no-smoking sign which—



(a) is at least A5 size;

(b) displays the no-smoking symbol; and

(c) contains, in characters that can be easily read by persons using the entrance, the words—



" No smoking. It is against the law to smoke in these premises".

(2) For the words required by sub-paragraph (c) of paragraph (1) there may be substituted words which differ only in that for "these premises" there are substituted words which refer to the particular smoke-free premises in which a sign is displayed (such as "this hotel").

(3) This paragraph applies to an entrance which is—



(a) an entrance to smoke-free premises from other smoke-free premises; or

(b) an entrance solely for persons to their place of work where that place is in premises which have another entrance at which there is displayed in a prominent position a sign which complies with paragraphs (1) and (2).


(4) Where paragraph (3) applies, a no-smoking sign which displays only the no-smoking symbol may be displayed in a prominent position at the entrance instead of a no-smoking sign which complies with paragraphs (1) and (2).

And here is the url for a downloadable sign that you can print yourself (.pdf)

http://www.smokefreeengl.../a5_sign_sf_premises.pdf
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#7 Posted : 02 April 2007 20:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
Oh, and you may like to find the languages that are spoken on each site. The signs [probably] have to be multilingual. Probably in all 25 european languages and also the large variety spoken elsewhere as well.
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#8 Posted : 02 April 2007 21:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48
If you wnat to fully comply in every detail with the signage requirements then page 5 of this document is clear about it in my view. It calls for a sign of the "small" type for your needs.
It gives an example as:-
--located within larger smokefree premises (for example, a shop within an indoor shopping centre).
http://www.smokefreeengl...e_law_for_businesses.pdf

I am not especially competent in this new law so this comment is based on a pragmatic look at the guidance. I doubt that the authorities will be throwing fines at companies where there is already a full no smoking policy operating. It is not high on my list of priorities. Experience will provide the answer I am sure.


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