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Posted By Paul A. Swift
I am looking at Asbestos Awareness Training for our personnel. They will never knowingly work with / remove asbestos but they are constantly working on clients sites where it may be present.
I am in two minds whether to create our own in-house course or go for an external provider. However the HSE Guidance recommending annual refresher training makes this a potentially costly alternative.
Can anyone recommend any good courses they have experience of?
Also, If I go down the in-house root, I am looking for photo's of examples of asbestos as may be encountered with an electrical bias. Again does anyone have any such photo's I might use?
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
Hi Paul
If you want to keep Asbestos Awareness Training inhouse get yourself a copy of HSG 227. It cost £12.50 when I bought it. It will have everything you need in it, i.e. pictures, where to look, how to assess the risks.
Steve
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Posted By Mir-cat
Paul
Not sure where you are based but I have just had some Asbestos Awareness training done for my staff. The company came and did it in house for us and supplied handouts and a certification card - very reasonable price considering.
If you would like to know email me direct and I will supply you with contact details
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Posted By Simon1
Paul,
HSE Books also have a good 15min DVD (£25+VAT) which can be used to show the impact of ignoring the dangers of Asbestos. My organisation used an external consultant for Asbestos awareness training, but now feel that for awareness training we could probably carry out better more relevant training internally.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
There is no specific legal requirement to use an external trainer.
However for initial AA training I would strongly recommend that you use a trainer from the HSE List of Asbestos Training Providers and after this initial 1/2 day course, then the annual refresher can be done by way of a toolbox talk in house.
If you read the ACoP Reg 10 this will explain all.
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Posted By Doug Kelly
Paul
As electricians are among the most 'at risk' groups, I would be extremely circumspect about the level of training provided. I have no doubt you could develop an 'in-house' scheme but, as I am sure you are aware, electricians are likely to encounter as many types of ACM and locations as most trades, especially in those circumstances/premises where an adequate asbestos management plan is not in place.
I would certainly recommend initial training by an external provider and assess from that basis whether developing your own bespoke course is practical.
I hope this helps.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
I deliver this type of training and trust me the level of knowledge and awareness which people in the allied building trades have on this subject is very scant and sometimes dangerous.
Asbestolux! Thats not asbestos is it? Wrong!
I Thought that white asbestos had been delicensed! Wrong!
You can just knock down artex now! Wrong!
The vast range of building products and equipment that this has been in is quite an eye opener for most people.
These people still are not aware that it is a statutory legal requirement that Asbestos surveys and production of asbestos management plans are required by all people who manage / repair / maintain non domestic premises!
Asbestos Surveys ARE NOT MANAGEMENT PLANS!!
also where this is not done the employer has a legal obligation to find out that asbestos is or is not in the premises they send their blokes to and if not they must assume that asbestos is there and it is the worst type (Blue / Brown).(Reg 5)
In CAR 06 and CDM 07 in is the 'Client' responsibility to produce a TYPE 3 ASBESTOS SURVEY as part of the tender information pack NOT and I repeat NOT the H&S Co-or or the Principal Contractor, the CLIENT See the relevant ACoP for both as it says this in there.
How many of you H&S People out there really and I mean really know this subject as this is the biggest industrial killer of all time and we need to get to grips with it!
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Dave and Doug are offering you sound advice. I only add that if you want pictures for your additional toolbox talk documents, there are a fair few on the HSE Asbestos Pages which can be cut and pasted into your own documents.They appear to be free of copyright.
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Posted By rb
Paul
I have recently used an external provider to provide training to our shopfitting site personnel.
All those that attended thought the half-day was invaluable (which pleased me no end!!). The tutor was excellent, and I thought it was incredibly good value.
We are in Nottinghamshire, but I think the provider we used covers most of the Midlands. If you would like the details, please get in touch
Richard
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Posted By Jeff Manion
We would recommend these guys.
Ferncroft Environmental
Unit B
Spenlea Industrial Estate
Wharf Road
Ealand
Nth Lincolnshire
United Kingdom
DN17 4JW
0172 488 8808
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Just to reinforce DWs point that the information regulation of CDM is within part 1, ie it applies to ALL construction work not just notifiable.
As i keep saying the Midland Branch conference on May 8th is going to cover much of this. See this Month's SHP for details - book soon if you want to come.
Also agree with Dave - As one of the many providers I find the levels of ignorance very disturbing.
Bob
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Posted By Paul A. Swift
A big thank you to all of you for your advice.
I plan to take on board what has been said and have the initial training undertaken by an external provider. Possibly look to do annual refresher training in-house.
Richard, if you can let me have your e-mail address or just e-mail me the details of your training provider, that would be great.
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Posted By Jeff Manion
For Ferncroft the telephon number should read
Tel No: should be 0845 257 1940
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Posted By Adam Burns The comments made by Dave Wilson are very appropriate. Asbestos Awareness Training is not something to be skimmed across. The HSE actually make it quite clear that training should be given by a suitably competent person. The specific requirement for companies to be registered with the HSE has now changed. Awareness Training falls into Group 3 which is now not a category that the HSE register. Group 1 & 2 training (For licensable and non-licensable work) remains a topic which companies need to be registered for. www.asbestosawareness.co.uk provides useful information and also carry out training. We can be contacted on 0845 050 8750.
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