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Posted By William
Obviously this is a difficult subject to discuss and even more so when it has been revealed that one of the missing is a 15 year old on work experience. I am unsure whether this has occurred in UK waters it is 75 miles north of Shetland so it could be either UK or Norwegian waters. If it is UK waters then would it be illegal to have someone under the age of 18 aboard the vessel whilst at sea and engaged in operations for the UK oil and gas industry?
The reason for asking this is that i was recently aboard a vessel of this type and everyone needed to have their offshore survival to be aboard, but you can only obtain a survival if you are between the ages of 18 and 65. On the other hand when i was 16 i worked on deep sea fishing boats, but i am sure that it is a legal requirement that you must be 18 years old or over to be involved in any operation involving the offshore oil and gas industry.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
I was wondering if this would come up on this forum and I asked myself much the same questions. Not expert in offshore stuff but it did occur to me that the working time directive and other legislation such as the management regs require specific safeguards for young persons. Just had a request for my view on a young lad undergoing work experience within my organisation which included travelling from Cheshire to London each day for a 0900 start. This means leaving home before 0600 in the morning so I asked about supervision while travelling and the long hours involved. It so happens the lad will be supervised by his father so not a problem. But how on earth is a young lad permitted to be gaining work experience is such a hostile environment as the North Sea Oil grounds beggars belief. If UK jurisdiction expect some interest from the HSE, if not it will be interesting to see how the Norwegians will address this. Hope there is someting in SHp about it.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
According to the BBC website it occurred about 86 miles west of Shetland - This puts it into UK waters I think but it is a Norwegian registerd boat - Interesting times ahead then.
I too was totally amazed when I heard the age of the boy
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Posted By Richard Mathews
I’m not dead sure on this but I believe that the regulations of the country in which a vessel is registered apply on board no matter who’s waters the vessel is operating in. Hence flags of convenience.
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Posted By Ian Waldram
Absolutely correct. However a complicating factor is that some UK offshore regs apply within the 'safety zone' of an offshore installation, i.e. the drill rig. Whether that applies will depends upon how many rig anchors were in place - I don't know from media reports whether the rig was arriving on station or departing.
I'm not a marine specialist, but it's clearly a very unusual event - anchor handling is a very regular activity offshore and obviously the winch and anchor handling system is designed to ensure there is insufficient capsizing moment in normal circumstances for this to happpen.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Despite our expertise, I do not feel that we should be commenting on a matter which is now sub judicie.
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Posted By William
That's a good point Merv. However the vessel in question is only 1 year old and i am led to believe that these designs are meant to be unsinkable (barring a collision), so if this has sunk due to a design flaw would it not be a good idea to avoid using vessels such as this for anchor pulling operations this until the cause of this tragedy has been established?
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