Posted By Shaun Brennan Can someone please clear up how many hours a day or miles a day i can do in a car legally as i seem to have started WW3 on speed camera debate taht i do (sometimes) 3000 miles aweek Bugsy

Posted By J Knight Hi Shaun, There isn't a limit as such, but there are factors you and your employer should take into account when determining your work load. Its the time, rather than the distance that's the problem, though the more miles you do the more risk (all other things being equal) you will be at. For example, a good rule of thumb is to look at how long HGV and other regulated drivers are allowed to work in total on a day. Also think about the WTregs and what they say about how long you should be working. But there are no actual limits, and if you feel that you're not too tired at the end of the day you may well be right. However if (perish the thought) you were to be involved in a fatality or serious injury RTC the Police/HSE would examine your working pattern, and on the face of it it could be quite hard to defend if they felt your fatigue had caused or contributed to the incident, John

Posted By Alexander Falconer 600 miles a day, even at averaging 60miles an hour thats a 50 hour week just driving, then if any work is being done on top of that = in excess of the working time regs. Could open a big can of worms here

Posted By Gff Nobody disputed that it could not be done, the question is, is it practical. If you choose to do it, thats up to you I just thought it was a bit over the top Sorry for any upset caused G'

Posted By Shaun Brennan Merlin what you have just quoted is for vehicle fitted with a tachograph and does not apply here mate. Bugsy

Posted By Shaun Brennan G no upset caused i am literally looking for ammo to go and see my bosses as this has been on the table for a while and i would like to get a general sensus and maybe even a legal directive as ammo Bugsy

Posted By Shaun Brennan Jonathan i saw the article and i have checked out the driving laws and they are for vehicles fitted with tachographs but i cant find anything legally for a car driver, if the court case became a precedent, then i would have ammo and a case to argue. Bugsy

Posted By Shaun Brennan thanks, i am actually logging everything i do at the moment and i am going to present at my next meeting Bugsy

Posted By Shaun Brennan Bob thanks for that, i havent seen or heard of that before and it makes sense. Thank you Bugsy

Posted By James Lawrence This article came in my in box today.... useful reference Briefing alert Tired driver to sue employer over road accident

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A Bradford-based firm which encouraged a culture of long hours has been found liable at the Court of Appeal for a road accident in which one of its workers was paralysed. Michael Eyres, who was flung from his van after falling asleep at the wheel, can sue the company where he worked as a kitchen fitter for damages expected to exceed £1 million. His final award will be reduced by 33% because of his own contributory negligence in not wearing a seatbelt and knowing he was at risk of falling asleep after working for 19 hours. However, Lord Justice Ward who gave the ruling at the Court of Appeal, said Mr Eyres, who was 20 at the time of the accident on the M1 in 2004, was "in that predicament because his employers had put him there". Next to him fast asleep in the van was Craig Atkinson, the 28-year-old managing director of Atkinsons Kitchens and Bedrooms. Lord Justice Ward and two other appeal judges overturned a High Court ruling that Mr Eyres was to blame for the accident because he was using a mobile telephone. It is not in dispute that his average speed must have been 83 miles an hour on the motorway and he had received and sent text messages while at the wheel, although Mr Eyres told the High Court judge he had not used his mobile phone for more than 20 minutes before the accident. Lord Justice Ward said that on the balance of probabilities, the cause of the accident was not using a mobile phone but falling asleep. Around 300 people are killed each year as a result of drivers falling asleep at the wheel, and about 4 in 10 tiredness-related crashes involve someone driving a commercial vehicle. Advice is available at the Department for Transport’s dedicated website at: http://www.dft.gov.uk/drivingforwork/

Posted By Gff The link the article mentioned before http://www.nurs.co.uk/ne...580637212694732545_1.htm

Posted By Mike Wink As Safety Professionals, we conduct Risk Assessments on work carried out by employees, restricting their activities (Were Required)by the nature of the risk. This system must also take account of our own activities. Would you allow an operative on site to conduct themselves in this manner?? Your risk assessment should be given to your employer and your working day should at least fit in with the Working Time Directive!!

Posted By Shaun Brennan John thanks for that i now have a least 3 cases that i can table and i am sure that the firm will need to sit up and take notice Bugsy

Posted By Brett Day The Highway Code does recommend as a minimum a 15 minute break every two hours driving, Any offence commited due to tiredness would as a minimum come under driving without due care and attention, if this was found to be partially or wholely as a result of pressuress imposed by an employer then the employer can be prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act by virtue of causing or permitting a driver to commit an offence. Talk to your local traffic division, they can be a good source of info regarding rest breaks and shifts for no tacho vehicles such as cars. From my point of view, if a company driver told me he was doing the hours and mileage you were I would be looking to put a knock on it asap as the chance of you 'microsleeping' is almost a certainty. Have you ever arrived somewhere or at some stage in your journey found that you don't remember the last five miles or how you got there? If so you are certainly too fatigued to continue driving safely.

Posted By Kenneth Parker Try the following link for additinal information that may be of use to you. http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/index.htm Ken Parker

Posted By David A Cooper All I would say is: WORK:LIFE BALANCE

Posted By Shaun Brennan Dear All thank you all for your comments sat down with my boss today and logged on to this web site, showed the comments and he just said he didn't realise that myself and two other colleagues were doing these ridiculous hours and we are to cease forthwith and he is going to implement stricter guidelines. He said he knew we were away a lot but didn't realise we were spending so much time on the road( we all work from Home) Thank you for all your advice Bugsy

Posted By Chris Jerman Back of the net!