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#1 Posted : 09 May 2007 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris D
Hi, ive been offered work in Dubai, permanent. I have two kids so im looking to relocate. It will involve working on construction projects in the city. Anyone got any useful advice. Thanks alot.
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#2 Posted : 10 May 2007 08:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By GT
Chris D, I don't work there however, I visit on a regular basis what can I help you with?

Schooling I know nothing about but I am sure there are British curriculum teaching schools there has to be for the expat population.

Housing is expensive so you need to ensure this is included in your package and indexed link it goes up by the month.

Traffic............horrendous........new monorail being constructed.

anything else ?

Gt
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#3 Posted : 12 May 2007 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By DougieGeorge
Hi Chris,

Contact the IOSH regional rep there. See home IOSH page - go to 'International' branches. I have met him & he is very helpful.

Dougie
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#4 Posted : 12 May 2007 17:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Butler
Hi Chris

I've also been offered a position in Dubai and have found out a lot of info regarding living/working over there with your family.

The schooling is second to none and costs per child per term of which there are only 3 terms per year. I have been informed that it will cost £1500 each per term for my children (6&8).

The housing is great, ranges from 1 bed apartments to 4 bed villas and should be rented (most popular choice as mortgages are difficult to obtain unless your wealthy and can buy outright). My employer has property for me to stay in first before i take the family out (after approx 3mths so i can settle into the job and find schooling etc).

Loads of English speaking people (roughly 150 families a week emigrate to Dubai from USA/UK/Australia).

And of course the salary is TAX FREE !!!!

I can't wait to get my terms and conditions, i have been offered family status working for EMCOR as Corporate H&S Manager on major projects.

Let me know when your going out and we can keep in touch.

Regards, Steve
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#5 Posted : 13 May 2007 06:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Joule Land
I have worked in Dubai for some time now. Please be advised it is not a bed of roses. Schooling is good however the cost is about 1500 pounds per child per term.
The kids start at 7.30 in the morning - that means that you and your good lady will have to get them up at 5.30. they then travel up to an hour somtimes on the bus that picks the kids up on a set route. If your kids are first to be picked up the bus will be there at the pick up point at 6.30.

Average rent for a three bedroom villa (three bedroom semi in a compound nice roomy houses) in the Mirdif area 150,000 DH pa which you have to pay in two - sometimes three post dated checks. (No such thing as standing orders)
you will need a loan from your company to bide you over the first three months until your visa is processed because up until then you cannot open a bank account.- so unless your company provides housing you will have to live in an apartment hotel which the company will deduct the cost from your salary - the same will be for a rental car cause you wont be able to purchase until you have your UAE License. the working week in the construction industry is 60hrs ie 0700 1800 daily day off Friday. no paid holidays in the first year of employment. You are the only member of staff who is likely to go to jail should there be an incident on your site. if there is an accident -its safety's fault. It is a blame culture because without blame being levied then blood money under Sharia law cannot be paid. Traffic is chronically bad.
75% of the labour force comes from India and Pakistan - with this comes certain behavioral problems that would take a long time to explain.
In real terms you wont make any money for about 18 months.
Safety Managers walk a thin line and you will need to be a skilled negotiator to impose yourself. Many of the Construction Managers are of Middle Eastern origin. They profess Safety but do not want safe systems at the cost to production. If you upset them you are out on your ear at a whim. If you can put up with that lot - Come to Dubai / UAE / Qatar any other questions please get back direct.
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#6 Posted : 13 May 2007 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Butler
Hi Andrew

Thanks for the very interesting and informative response to this thread. I have a question for you please.

Q. Why is it that you can expect to make little or no money for the first 18 months?

Steve
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#7 Posted : 13 May 2007 13:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ross
Will agree with GT and the others. Traffic is absolutely unreal. I have never seen anything like it.

Has put me off going back there until they sort it out. As was mentioned a new Monorail is being constructed but I doubt that will have the major reduction in traffic congestion that is being hoped for.

If it weren't for that I would say 'Go for it'!
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#8 Posted : 14 May 2007 07:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Joule Land
Dear Steve.


the loans that you may need to take out just to get settled in to Dubai

– Most consumer items that you need to get cannot be obtained until you have your visa then you can start to approach the banks to open an account.

– You have to provide salary statements copies of your passport and visa and usually 3 passport photos. You will also need a letter from your employer stating what your salary is.

– To get you over the (average) three months it takes to finally get your visa companies usually put you up in apartment hotels / company apartments – because they do this they stop your housing allowance.

– You will also need to get a copy of your qualifications attested by the foreign and commonwealth office then take them to the UAE Embassy – check on their opening times as well – you will need to do this also for your marriage certificate so that your wife / partner, whatever you wish to refer to the lady as, other wise this will slow down your visa process.

– When this is finished then you can look for a property – Where your work location is, is a factor in this as well so that you can be within a reasonable distance to work.



The above also depends on the package that you are coming out to – Some companies have their own accommodation and provide you with vehicles plus pick up the tab for electricity / water and fuel plus provide a partial allowance for children’s education because they also own the school. These however are in the minority.



As said before there is no direct debit system in most of the banks here so if you have to pay for housing you have to pay by cheque – some require one cheque but at the best it will be three cheques – plus deposit on the property- deposit for the electric plus a five percent finders fee to the estate agent.



A reasonable property in a good area will cost about 140,000 dhm per year – if this is one cheque you will have to get a loan for about 200,000 dhm.



If you have to pay in one cheque. Then furnish the place – IKEA is the favourite. That will be say another 20,000 dhm. And you haven’t bought a car yet – you might even need 2. A good second hand car will cost from 89000 dhm most buy a four by four for security – when you see how they drive you will know what I mean.



Usually this can be paid over 36 months – yes that means you have to write 36 post dated cheques. Then Schooling – again paid up front – travel, insurance is sometimes charged as an extra over the cost of the actual term fees, and then uniforms will be needed. These sometimes can only be bought from certain shops that have a franchise. Add to this your cost of living which is reasonable then this has taken care of your first nine months salary.



By this time your wife and children will want to have a holiday back in UK to escape the summer here. This will blow another couple of thousand pounds. Add to this the repayment of loans which you probably want to do as quickly as possible one year is over and you have to stump up next years rent – this also may have increased 15%.



The Minimum package to look for is 45000dhm pcm (your basic wage in this will be about 24,000 the rest made up in allowances) otherwise you will struggle

If you do come out remember that any life insurances etc. you pay in UK will be on hold best you find out he details of their small print. Get in touch with the Income tax people to get a P98. and the national insurance pensions department to maintain your contribution to the pension fund. you may also need to open an offshore account - I'm told that HSBC or Lloyd's give some good advice - I'm not with them by the way not for any particular reason other than the company I work for don't have an agreement with them.
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#9 Posted : 17 May 2007 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris D
Thanks to everyone for the advice, very helpful indeed. Any info on regulation will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Also any positives would be good aswell, if they are any!!
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