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#1 Posted : 31 May 2007 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/...d/manchester/6707509.stm

Last line is what it is all about (sigh)

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#2 Posted : 31 May 2007 16:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy
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a four page h+s document!!!

These chairs must be extremly hazardous and complicated to use. I hope everyone was suitably trained.

That may be the answer to the problem, firemen sleeping on the floor because they don't feel competent to sleep in such a device!!
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#3 Posted : 01 June 2007 08:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Real problem it seems from the F/S radio 4 spokesperson is that no risk assessment was done for the sleeping bag!

Makes you feel good to be alive:-)

I am just wondering how a chair is better to sleep on than a bed, after all dental anaesthetics in a semi seated position were regarded as more risky than fully recumbent. So is it safer to sleep in beds or recliner chairs? Perhaps the instructions require you to wake up every five minutes and prohibit any person falling into REM sleep.

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#4 Posted : 01 June 2007 10:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
I have a gift for being able to sleep just about anywhere, but even I know that sleep in a chair is not as refreshing as a bed because of the inability to turn, and because of pressure points.

Airlines are spending fortunes to get bed-like within the business/first class cabins, and their passengers don't have to go into burning buildings to save people.

Personally, I don't want firefighters with cricked backs coming to harm.

Considering their role in life, the brigade management should rethink things carefully.
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#5 Posted : 01 June 2007 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By William O'Donnell
Daft question, can I have a job where I am paid for having a kip?
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#6 Posted : 01 June 2007 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
William

Yes if you become a firefighter.

You have to look at the strange shift patterns in order to understand why "beds" are provided.

Personally I am glad that they turn out rested and ready to continue often up to 15 hours with little rest in an emergency.

Bob
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#7 Posted : 01 June 2007 17:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese
I know and have known a number of fireman. All of them (without exception) have a second job.

So it is difficult to see how they can turn out rested unless the fire is towards the end of the shift.


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#8 Posted : 01 June 2007 17:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever
I used to be a fireman.

My wife used to work so when I came home from a night shift where I had been on the go all night (Central London station) I had to look after my kids all day then go back on a 15 hour night shift then back home again to look after the kids. OK it wasn't busy every night but I did occasionally have to be on the go for over 48+ hours without rest )and without having a second paid job). The shift system was not always as rosy as people believe.
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#9 Posted : 01 June 2007 18:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese
One of the firemen I'm talking about is a fireman in London, he's also a London cabbie with his own cab.
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#10 Posted : 01 June 2007 18:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave West
I have not got a problem with firemen sleeping 1. as they need to be fresh for the job and 2.so the one who plastered my kitchen gets the time to come back and re wire my flat.

On a serious note this bonkers conkers is going too far and giving the profession a bad name
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#11 Posted : 01 June 2007 19:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By pluto
This has nothing to do with H & S. It is all about vindictive management, who in their determination to show 'who is the boss' are slowly being strangled by their own contradictory and spurious reasons for using every opportunity to attack the workforce. Sad isn't it?
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#12 Posted : 02 June 2007 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
"This has nothing to do with H & S. It is all about vindictive management, who in their determination to show 'who is the boss' are slowly being strangled by their own contradictory and spurious reasons for using every opportunity to attack the workforce. Sad isn't it"

But it is the norm.
Any increase in non-productive costs is seen as a financial loss. Health and Safety is seen, in most cases, as a total loss with no [company] benefits at all. In the majority of cases, employers find temporary personnel replacements to cover for employees off work with injury, to be more trouble than the accident that led to the injury. In the rosy-glow world of health and safety consultancy [!] you will probably be stunned into mental stasis to know that your clients see you as a necessary evil to fend-off the compensation culture with nice glossy [expensive] Health and Safety Policies.

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