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Posted By Frank Macleod
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We recently had a large number of our fire extinguishers changed out. This happened without me being included in the loop and i was surprised when I realised that the new ones were cartridge operated. Although in line with EN3 I was always under the impression that the stored pressure extinguishers were eventually going to supercede the cartridge operated type. I can't remember where I read this and I may simply be barking up the wrong tree. Can any of you please enlighten me to the facts please? I know that the stored pressure type are easier to maintain (i.e. check the weight and ensure the pressure gauge needle is not stuck) on an annual basis as opposed to stripping down the cartridge type to inspect interior workings and am suspicious that the supply company are taking the mick. Again are my suspicions unfounded?
Thanks in advance for any advice offered.
Regards
Frank
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Posted By Frank Macleod
45 have read but no comments???????????????
Help please!
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Posted By Ashley Wood
Frank, what environment are you using these extinguishers in? What type of extinguishers are they? I do not know why they would revert back to cartridge extinguishers except for, over pressurisation of the extinguisher due to the temperature in which they are sat, Vandalism of pressure gauges.
What reason did your supplier give?
Best regards
Ashley Wood
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Posted By Mark Godfrey
Frank
You are right about the stored pressure with regards to maintenance etc. One problem with stored pressure though is that they have to be discharged every 5 years (from my rusty memory) and thus they all come up for renewal at the same time so don't caught out like I did and go over budget! I believe they are due for pressure test after 10 years. Once again it can prove costly as a "job lot"
I think cartridge extinguishers are OK if you carry out your own maintenance with your own staff (all trained of course) but if you out source your maintenance then stored pressure is the way forward. Maintenance companies will install cartridge extinguishers as they make good money on the maintenance.
I serious drawback with cartridge ones, how do you know they have been let off? I am thinking of schools, prisons etc. The only way is weigh them and you may never know for up to a year (when maintenance is due again)At least with stored pressure staff can check daily/weekly as required just by looking at the gauge.
Stored pressure for me, no spares required but with cartridge there where bursting disks and cartridges, foam packs, powder packs, the list goes on and so does the cost but you do need to consider your environment, budget, maintenance etc.
Hope that helps
Mark
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Posted By Frank Macleod
Ashley/Mark,
Thankyou for your comments, they are appreciated. I work on an FPSO out in the North Sea, the extinguishers being discussed are Water, Foam & Dry Powder, there are no issues with temperature, which would effect the pressurised containers.
The outcome from this story basically is I have informed all parties involved that in future all decisions re safety equipment onboard our installation must go through the onboard safety advisor as should have been the case in this instance.
Once again thanks for the help.
Regards
Frank
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Posted By Robert Hayes
Frank
I took over the management of my company's fire extinguisher maintenance some 12 years ago and at the time we had a mix of stored pressure and gas-cartridge extinguishers (750+ units).
In the mid-late 90s the major suppliers started to offer the stored pressure extinguishers as standard and whilst gas-cartridge extinguishers were available they had to be requested. During one tendering exercise I found that all the companies had links; either through a parent organisation or because all the extinguisher bodies were produced by the same manufacturer.
The imposed standards of maintenance will have had an impact on peoples choice of extinguisher and I suspect that this customer demand has resulted in the major suppliers trying to standardise.
I can't say if your supplier is taking you for a ride or not as this will depend on the contract that your company have in place with them and your previous experiences. I will say that many individuals and companies do still prefer the gas-cartridge units. I would study the specification put out by your colleagues and then simply ask your supplier the question.
Rob
PS. The disposal of spare live gas-cartridges needs some thought as well.
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Posted By Chris Cooper
Maintainance wise, cartridge types are easier to maintain in isolated locations (just change the cartridge rather than hauling extinguishers around). If cartridge types have been interfered with they will retain their pressure – they will in effect be a stored pressure unit without a gauge.
However cartridge and stored pressure powder units will always loose pressure after partial use as the powder prevents the internal valve seating cleanly – not a real problem with liquid/gas agents.
The maintenance should not be more expensive and the additional annual inspection may ensure replacements are spaced more gradually throughout the life cycle of the extinguisher. All extinguishers should have some means of indicating whether they have been tampered with. I would not be too concerned about the deployment of cartridge units - remember faulty gauges do exist and can mask sealing problems. Always ensure your service contractor/staff are properly competent e.g. BS 5306 etc.
Regards
Chris
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Posted By Frank Macleod
Rob/Chris,
Thankyou for your comments.
Regards
Frank
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