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Posted By rks
This a bit of a moan.
I am currently working on a major contract and am just finishing off the CPHSP and am getting the managers/directors fill out a competence/experience form to show our competence to do the work.
They are now refusing to fill out the forms until the the CDM co-ordinator comes in and explain to them why they need to fill out the forms and what it is all about.
I sometimes despair with them all!
Regards
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
This is a common issue but it has arisen because we are using inadequate measures of competence and are failing to see it as a competence of the organisation. Competence Managemenet is a system. I went through this issue at the recent Midland Branch conference and it is the burning issue that companies need to understand and address.
A course is being offered via the IOSH training directory later this year but I can arrange in house bespoke training and assistance earlier if required.
Bob
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Competence questionnaires I feel are completely the wrong tools in the long term for assessing competence.
My own organisation is going through the process of assessing its own performance against the criteria in appendix 4 of the CDM ACOP and develop a competency statement identifying how we meet this. We are seeking an assessment of this process through an external assessment body, this will probably be CHAS.
In the long term there should only be one question which should read........How does your organisation ensure that they meet the criteria laid out in appendix 4 of the CDM ACOP?
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Posted By Ciaran McAleenan
Dear RKS
If you have reached the stage of putting together a construction phase plan then is it safe to assume that a client has made an appointment. If so then he will already have ascertained and been satisfied with the competence of your organisation to deliver the project.
If you are the client as well as the contractor then similarly you will have satisfied yourself that are competent before embarking on this phase of the project.
The construction phase plan is about how you address all the health and safety management issues relevant to the project. It is not the place for your statement of competence.
If I was your MD I would certainly be interested in explanation. If you are to remain in despair do not despair of those who may just be right.
Best wishes
Ciaran
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Posted By rks
Ciaran,
we have undertaken numerous projects so they are happy with our competence. the managers and directors won't sign forms that outline their H&S responsibilities for the project and individual information relating to quals, cpd, cscs and experience etc etc.
So I will look forward to speaking to the MD to find out why the upper level of the organisation will not take on board their own responsibilities regarding H&S.
i always thought that good H&S started with good management.
Regards.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Ciaran
We need to bear in mind however that if competence was assessed pre April 2007 then the transitional arrangements for competence assessment will kick in. There is therefore a validity in a CDM C making further inquiries if the contract is expected to run past April 2008.
As Arran highlighted the real problem is that questionnaires as currently constituted do little to actually measure how competent an organisation really is. I fully agree with him. Internally if one is sending forms to directors or managers or others to identify their competence one might be tempted to say that the organisation is not competent as it has no clear system to identify, manage and record competence in place.
It is a minefield until the principles of competence and its management are grasped.
Bob
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