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Posted By Steven H
Can someone provide some guidance on permit to work systems and the roles of individuals, in line with the latest HSE guidance.
The role of Performing Authority is proving contentious.
The company in question use their plant engineers as Performing Authorities for both company maintenance personnel and contractors carrying out the work. However these engineers originate the permit before passing it to process for release and also carry out the risk assessment and method statement for the work. There are often no others involved in the risk assessment.
Is the main problem here
a) the fact that the contractor does not carry out a risk assessment and consult with the engineer or
b) someone who acts as originator and carries out the risk assessment and writes the method statement should not be acting as the Performing Authority or
c)both
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Posted By CFT
Steven
I think I have my head around your question; may I just say? (As long as I have interpreted it correctly) if the PTW issuing authority has anything to do with the production of the SSOW for task, service, procedure, etc, then I would personally advocate this practice ceases, and the in-house operatives or external contractors are controlled by independent means (in-house is fine, by trained personnel).
This way the PTW issuing body can have a completely objective and self-regulating requirement for the necessary conditions to meet with the overall criteria of the PTW.
Sorry, not easy some times to say what you mean.
CFT
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Posted By Steven H
Thanks CFT
However the issue is not with the "Issuing Authority" but with the engineer who scopes the job, writes the procedure for doing the work carries out a risk assessment then originates the permit. He then passes the permit to the process area authority who make equipment safe then issue the permit to the performing authority. However the performing authority is the same engineer who raised the permit and carried out the original RA and method statement. He will then ensure the contractor or maintenance person "the user" is aware of the hazards and controls.
Is the engineer issuing a permit to himself
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Steven
You have more or less answered the question yourself. There does appear to be a lack of impartiality. The question is quite complex but I shall try to explain my views.
A person should not be writing and approving a method statement. Contractors should be submitting their method statements and risk assessments for approval. Any deviation is likely to be a conflict of interest.
Ray
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